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WHAT ROUGH BEAST? America sits of the edge

 
 
Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 06:10 pm
Blatham -- I noted in another thread that there has been talk about the US laying itself wide open for sanctions but (more seriously, I gather) for individual lawsuits which could cost us plenty and go on for years. And so the Perle statement will be interesting for prospective prosecutors, don't you think?
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 06:54 pm
Lawsuits by whom? Filed in what court? Under the jurisdiction of what power? This is a fantasy. The United States is a sovereign power.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:05 pm
And by God, we can throw our weight around if we want to. Forget about the "rule of law" that was so very very important when it came to Clinton's dalliances............his playful fun, but when it comes to war........we're a ******* sovereign power and the rule of law be damned.
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perception
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:08 pm
Lola

Shocked Shocked My god you just turned into an animal Laughing
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:10 pm
yeah, I can be animal.........did you ever doubt it? Isn't it fun? cigar anyone?
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Brand X
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:17 pm
Betwixt two things, I choose sharing a cigar with you.
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perception
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:17 pm
Settle down and answer my post----I got the funny idea we were about to agree on something Cool
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:23 pm
Settle down!? Let's don't quit now. We're in agreement, I think..........on this fact.........I'm a wild thing ready for agreement. (Shhhhhhh, don't tell.)

But also, what were you thinking of, perc? Agreement on which point?
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perception
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:24 pm
Brand X

Back off ----you're talking to the jewel in my harem Twisted Evil Laughing

You wanna me breaka yo face? I don't know who said that but I like it Laughing
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:25 pm
Perc and Brand X,

LOL...........very nice
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perception
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:30 pm
Oh hell let's just take a walk in the park and -----look---at the ----stars-----and -----talk about----old times................. Cool
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:31 pm
to hell with politics
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:40 pm
George's pissed-off idea that we are answerable to no one is exactly my point. But aside from that, I can well imagine aggrieved plaintiffs suing the US in its own courts.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:45 pm
On the other hand, as long as corporations own our courts...: http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2000/12/judicial.html
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 07:50 pm
The government can be sued in our courts only if it consents to it. There is no international tribunal that exercises compulsory jurisdiction over the United States. That is the law.

Not 'pissed off' at all. Merely bemused at your misconceptions.
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Tartarin
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:19 pm
Do you like the notion that our government is answerable, effectively, to no one?
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perception
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 08:58 pm
Oh--I know---You want the US Gov't answerable to the ------------ACLU Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 09:07 pm
I would prefer a government answerable to its citizens.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 09:09 pm
Tartarin,

That question just doesn't arise. It is a fact that we are a sovereign state and that we and other such states have not yet found a way to acknowledge a superior power and trust our fates to its adjudication. Moreover, we in our social and political compact, our Constitution, have not empowered our government to submit us to the control of any other body. More or less the same is true of others. The degrees of political maturity and openness among the governments of the world varies widely. This limits the potential of all international bodies, particularly including the UN. Very difficult for such bodies to rise much above the levels of its least developed members, particularly in areas where the stakes are high and there is not general agreement.

Accountability is a fine concept, but it requires an object for that accountability. If none of sufficient stature exists then the concept is merely an abstraction, lacking concrete meaning.
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Ethel2
 
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Reply Thu 20 Nov, 2003 09:14 pm
Oh bother, george.........you're such a party pooper
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