Ethics/morals are also, by agreement made into social forms like law, and always will be as far as I can see.... And people, not understanding the value of the agreement will continue to suck the meaning out of such forms until they are so much dead weight to humanity... Every social form should give back to people more than they put in, and at least as much... That is the good for which people work, but if the obligations of social form is publicized while the benefits are publicized, in short order the thing will fail... Some forms just grow decrepit, and some fail to deliver truth, and some times based upon a new understanding a new form is built... Well, they do not last forever and the history of mankind is the exchange of one form for another, so we should think more freely of changing our form and of what way we could chnage our forms to produce the goods we all desire... For example; the goals of our form of government are moral and clearly stated... If in the same moment every American could judge his goverment against its stated moral goals, then the constitution would be marked a failure, and we could start over...
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In the case of “will fail” may seem true in a society that looks to justice or Justification in the holdings of money and property. A public observation “He who dies with the most toys wins”. But I would point you to the success of percepts of morals and ethics that have effectively changed the English speaking world. The concept of “Moral” and the root of the meaning thereof is pointed to (even in the Oxford) is Pope Gregory the Great and his Commentary on the Book of Job. Who also sent St Augustine to the island of England (who it is attributed to as bring the concepts of civilization to England). Of which Gregory was going to do himself but was detained by the emperor of the day to be assigned to be pope, whether he liked it or not. (But it is my understanding there are many versions of that particular history).
Or Exeter Hall which was noted as the center of the anti-slavery campaign in it’s day amongst other percepts of ethics and moral pursuits. And was respected by the general public to be the voice of such, and the standings of the Hall was feared by the politicians of the day. Or Sr Edward Coke who was the Kings chief prosecutor then became chief justice and many of the precepts he instituted were adopted into the U.S. Constitution.
But yes you are correct, it is all about what is valued. But it is never hopeless it just requires the right man in the right place at the right time, to re-institute the value of ethics, to be valued.
I think part of the trouble is that what should be looked to for such, has seemed to decompose in itself “The Churches” therefore no one looks to the “Churches” for answers. It seems that the “Churches” have taken a Fire and brimstone attitude, or have fallen to the self satisfaction ways of the world. And that persuades no one, that the Voice of the Lord is with the “Church”, and it shows to the world they do not honor, nor value the Truth. For they seek to judge the world in their own choices of what is good and evil, which has nothing to do with agreement. That's how Adam and Eve got in trouble. And any person that breaths can make their own choices of what is good and evil.
Fire and brimstone is not the answer, it is the Mercy and Truth of God in His Grace and Peace, that acts in the interest of the Kingdom of God, and mankind. How can one be with and for people if one is not with and for people?
Is the Truth with and for people? Is the Truth against the nature of the beast? Or is the Truth, the ruler of the beast, that gives Mercy and Righteousness, and Judgement to the dweller in the beast?