I suspect we both believe it is the true believers, the obsessive inflictors of their ideas for the perfection of humanity, who have created most of the folly and suffering in the world.
Freedom and re-creation are always necessary.
Most of the developed world would be more Free Social Market rather than US style Capitalist wouldnt it ?
I don't know, but certainly many European countries adopted the past-WWII German 'invention' social market economy ("Soziale Marktwirtschaft").
And they all shared a common legacy of war, destruction and, in many cases, highly destructive totalitarian attempts at the reformation of human affairs. Not exactly a model for the rest of the world.
...........Despite President Reagan's highly quoted demand "Tear down this wall..." President Bush and particularly British PM Thatcher actually tried to slow down the process, fearful of what a combined and independent Germany with a strong Mark might become.
(as, possibly, did Panzade in following your lead),
Quote:(as, possibly, did Panzade in following your lead),
I only noted that I enjoyed the program we both listened to.
And I am ready for your edification.
Ever since the end of WWI, American diplomacy has moved towards a strong and unified Germany to buffer the Bolshevik menace.
Excepting of course those 4 pesky years of WWII.
France on the other hand has always hoped to keep Germany weak in order to avoid a fourth invasion.
I believe Bush would have been in the unified Germany camp.
invaded by Germany "four" times
On July 19, 1870, France declared war on Prussia. The south German states, in fulfillment of their treaties with Prussia, immediately joined King William in a common front against France.
The French were only able to mobilize about 200,000 troops; the Germans, however, quickly marshaled an army of about 400,000 men. All German forces were under the supreme command of William, with the great strategist Helmuth Karl Bernhard, Graf von Moltke, as his chief of staff. Three German armies drove into France, led, respectively, by General Karl Friedrich von Steinmetz, Prince Frederick Charles, and Crown Prince Frederick William, later Frederick III of Prussia and emperor of Germany.
Francis may correct what follows, but I attribute the widespread misconception that Germany always invaded France to the superb PR skills of French diplomacy,
July 19th in 1870 the French empire declares war to the Prussian kingdom. Napoleon III leads the army in July 28th in Metz. August 2nd in Mayence, William the 1st takes command of his troops to which the allied German troops will join.
panzade wrote:As to the years of WWII, Germany wasn't divided, but even then some far-seeing folks (Patton among them) saw a strong Germany as the only effective barrier between Russia and the Atlantic.
In Potsdam, in the Cecilienhof, you can see a lot of original documents from the conference which was held there in July-August 1945.
The reason that Germany wasn't divided in multiple small and smallest pieces as suggested by some Americans was ... simply money reason (for the US and England, since they feared that then their taxpayers had to feed us Germans [it's all there, High Seas, visible and readable!] while the USSR wanted to get as much as possible in reparations).
Graf von Moltke, ....
whatever. I quoted a source you ninny!