At least seven killed in shooting at Fort Hood, Tex.

@msolga,

msolga wrote:

Good grief. Just heard the radio news. Another shooting in the US!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/07/2736008.htm

Are u equally alarmed by traffic collisions ?

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@dlowan,

dlowan wrote:

Problem with the publicity, possibly...these things trigger other people on the edge.

That HAS happened.

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@msolga,

msolga wrote:

Dodging? I'm not dodging at all.

I'm responding to this statement of yours, which I find utterly inappropriate to the situation we're discussing here.

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Well, of course he is a nut job just as the young woman who straps dynamite around her waist and wades into an Iraqi bazzare.

You're dodging, like it or not.

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@OmSigDAVID,

Mass shootings of innocent people are a bit different to traffic collisions, David.

Do I really need to tell you this?

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@msolga,

msolga wrote:

Very depressing & extremely scary.
Sigh.

Happiness is a choice.
I choose to be happy.

David

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Sorry, Finn. Because you say something does not make your opinion a fact. You might believe this to be the case, but many people might dispute this. Wink

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@panzade,

panzade wrote:

not at all. I think this one in my neck of the woods was a disgruntled fired employee.
It's getting real dangerous to fire anyone these days.
The guy waited 2 years to explode.

About 40 years ago, I worked for the NY Stock Exchange.
Some guy returned with a gun after being fired,
to discuss differences of opinion. We had well armed guards
at the doors, who turned him around.

David

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@hawkeye10,

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If we’re going to fight wars as a nation, then we need to draw our warriors from a wider swath of the population and give them the full and complete support that they need and deserve. We’ll no doubt be analyzing the twisted psychological state of Nidal Malik Hasan every which way from sundown. But we’ll continue to give short shrift to the daily struggles and frequent horrors of the honorable men and women who have taken on the thankless task of fighting our wars.

This is not just shameful, it’s unsustainable.

I totally agree with the above.
The man had obvious and noted problems. He'd been transferred from his position at Walter Reed Army Hospital because he had difficulties interacting with his patients, who would have been incapacitated soldiers and other army personnel.

So as part of their rehabilitation of his career and 'fresh start' they decide to deploy him to a combat zone to counsel people who are actively fighting the war.
Okay...yeah that sounds like a great and logical fresh start.

Who did they think they were sending to help these men and women over there? Someone who was opposed to the war and did NOT want to be deployed and couldn't even hold it together and do his job appropriately in Washington, much less Afghanistan.

And no, I'm not defending him and what he did. I deplore him for what he did and don't blame anyone but him - he should have resigned or gone to his own psychiatrist - anything but what he did- I give him absolutely no excuse.

What makes me angry is that these people who are risking their lives (for WHAT I don't know - I pray to God they don't think they have to do it for ME (an American) -and their physical and mental health are not cared for better by people who are willing and able to care for them appropriately.
It is a disgrace.

One of the victims was a 21 year old woman who was sent home from Iraq early because she was pregnant. So she makes it out of Iraq and home safely to be killed by a troubled psychiatrist that everyone could SEE was having problems. Oh jesus.

I think Finn did make a good point though. If it'd been some Christian nut job - a bunch of people on this forum would have had a field day with that- immediately!

But again, logically, could they not see that this guy would have conflicting and troublesome issues with fighting this war? How the hell was he gonna be able to counsel anyone else about it or through it?

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@Diest TKO,

Diest TKO wrote:

I was asked on a different forum I write on () whether this incident should make us reconsider racial profiling.

So... after several white and even christian military personnel have killed that's right, I'm polyamorous with other social media sitestheir pregnant wives in their homes on base, after several rapes by white males on bases, after white soldiers have recently been found to have found to have committed execution style murders in Iraq the topic of racial profiling comes up when the Muslim guy commits a crime.

Understood.

Let's talk about this NOW.

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Oh please.

Do you really want to line up "white" murders and atrocities against those committed by Muslims?

If so, do it, and remember that "white" Americans vastly outnumber Muslims in America.

Despite what so many of you PC zealots want to believe, I am not asserting that all Muslims throughout the world are violently evil, or that all American Muslims are violently evil.

I know y'all get a woody thinking this is the case, but none of y'all can prove it.

Please try, by the way.

It is however, fundamentally idiotic to ignore the fact that a murderer is or was Muslim.

If you can explain how this is not the case...have at it.

All you clowns who flit from one post to another, piling on the individual that the gang has decided deserves it are engaging in behaviors your weak-kneed ideology abhors.

Take a look at a fair representation of A2K threads.

What you will find is a small number of folks, intelligently arguing a point. We can agree to disagree on whether all of these arguments are intelligent, but I think we will not have a problem differentiating between an argument from a smart-assed, glib retort and a committed view.

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@msolga,

msolga wrote:

Mass shootings of innocent people are a bit different to traffic collisions, David.

Do I really need to tell you this?

U need to explain to me whether the victims
of traffic collisions are deader or more innocent than those who have been shot.

THAY elicit no comment WHATSOEVER

David

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@msolga,

msolga wrote:

Sorry, Finn. Because you say something does not make your opinion a fact. You might believe this to be the case, but many people might dispute this.

Just like many people might dispute that you have not dodged the issue.

You have.

If you insist that you have not, so be it.

Not a big issue for me.

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@aidan,

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I think Finn did make a good point though. If it'd been some Christian nut job - a bunch of people on this forum would have had a field day with that- immediately!

Really, aidan?

Me, I don't think anyone exactly has a "field day" when one of these upsetting incidents occurs, no matter which "nut job" does the killing.
I don't think anyone welcomes the killing of innocent people to further their position.

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If the Moslem 's paralysis is proves to be permanent,
that might be a fate worse than death.

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@OmSigDAVID,

David - if my son or daughter were killed in a traffic accident, I'd have to accept it a very sad, but unavoidable risk that we all take every time we get in a car or walk across lanes of traffic as a pedestrian.

If my son or daughter had safely returned from a tour or two in Iraq and were killed by a ******* doctor that the army had continued to employ despite his obvious mental issues - I'd have trouble viewing that as anything but tragic and absolutely pointless madness and idiocy.

That's the difference.

Because yeah - they'd still be dead - but I'd have to somehow try to make sense of how they died and why.

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@msolga,

msolga wrote:

Quote:
I think Finn did make a good point though. If it'd been some Christian nut job - a bunch of people on this forum would have had a field day with that- immediately!

Really, aidan?

Me, I don't think anyone exactly has a "field day" when one of these upsetting incidents occurs, no matter which "nut job" does the killing.
I don't think anyone welcomes the killing of innocent people to further their position.

Aidan

Here is msolga to explain that whatever she thinks is "good."

You and I know that if the shooter cried, "Jesus Is Our Savior!" as he murdered one and another, msolga and her friends would have found it of grave importance. That they deny it now is just a demonstration of their ability to lie.

Yes, lie.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Oh please.

No need to beg Finn. This one is one the house.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Do you really want to line up "white" murders and atrocities against those committed by Muslims?

Not particularly, but if we did it would not suit your argument.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

If so, do it, and remember that "white" Americans vastly outnumber Muslims in America.

Relevance?

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Despite what so many of you PC zealots want to believe, I am not asserting that all Muslims throughout the world are violently evil, or that all American Muslims are violently evil.

Yeah, you are only suggesting that his muslimness "should not be ignored."

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

I know y'all get a woody thinking this is the case, but none of y'all can prove it.

We aren't thinking about your boner.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Please try, by the way.

To prove you have a boner?

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

It is however, fundamentally idiotic to ignore the fact that a murderer is or was Muslim.

nobody is ignoring it, they just aren't assigning it the value you want them to.

My point with my post was that I think that it's absurd that after a summer last year (as hawkeye's post recapped) with so many suicides and additional homicides and rapes committed by white military personnel it is very telling that the notion of whether or not we should be racially profiling came up when a muslim committed an act of violence.

Where was the question on racially profiling white men when all these white men (a pattern) in the military were demonstrating violent mental illness?

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

If you can explain how this is not the case...have at it.

It is relevant to this story. I didn't say it wasn't. I just don't assign it the same credit that you do. In fact, the man may have been being harassed specifically because he was a Muslim prior to his crime. It doesn't justify the crime, but isn't that part of him being Muslim relevant too?

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

All you clowns who flit from one post to another, piling on the individual that the gang has decided deserves it are engaging in behaviors your weak-kneed ideology abhors.

No. I want this man to survive in the hospital and face justice in a court.

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Take a look at a fair representation of A2K threads.

What you will find is a small number of folks, intelligently arguing a point. We can agree to disagree on whether all of these arguments are intelligent, but I think we will not have a problem differentiating between an argument from a smart-assed, glib retort and a committed view.

Finn, stop. Reflect. You just side swiped me. I've never shown an unwillingness to engage you in discussion. You wish to question my logic, lets go. Leave the huff and puff behind.

T
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@msolga,

I'm sorry - I should have said they would have jumped on the fact that his or her religion was the underlying cause or factor instead of trying to brush it aside.

I do think this man's religion was causative in what he did. But I think his employers (the army) should have been more cognizant of the conflicting bind he was being placed in. And as a precautionary measure - taken more care with who they employed and deployed to help the people who were fighting this war.

I think there is an element of political correctness that is accorded Muslims that is not accorded Christians on this forum. Because if a christian had said -'Burn in hell you heathens' before s/he opened fire - it'd have been chalked up to his or her crazy and fanatical take on religion- as well it should be - because obviously that's a factor.

It seems obvious it was a factor here too - at least to me.

I can recognize dangerous religious fanaticism WHATEVER religionist embraces it.
Facts are facts.

Again - no I don't think and didn't mean to imply that I think anyone is happy about this incident. If I did - I apologize.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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Here is msolga to explain that whatever she thinks is "good."

You and I know that if the shooter cried, "Jesus Is Our Savior!" as he murdered one and another, msolga and her friends would have found it of grave importance. That they deny it now is just a demonstration of their ability to lie.

Yes, lie.

Finn, you are getting kind of bizarre.

I am really most unlikely to be confronted with a shooter of any variety, say nothing of one who cries "Jesus Is Our Savior!".

I don't know if this is a common occurrence where you live (though I kinda doubt it Wink

) but it is completely unheard of where I live.

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@Diest TKO,

Swipe........

Side or otherwise.

I'm tired of arguing with idiotic arguments.

If you think this is an idiotic position to take, don't argue with me.

The shooter was a Muslim --- coincidence?

Take an effin stand.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Play it backwards Finn.

If the man had been a Christian, and had yelled "Jesus Is Our Savior!" prior to shooting, you'd agree it would be relevant?

I think it's relevant in both cases.

If the man had yelled "die you sons of bitches!" before opening fire would that have changed anything? A person could choose to say any number of things. What would you expect a deeply religious christian man to say before a major violent psychotic episode? Serious question.

T
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