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At least seven killed in shooting at Fort Hood, Tex.

 
 
panzade
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 08:02 pm
@dlowan,
not at all. I think this one in my neck of the woods was a disgruntled fired employee. It's getting real dangerous to fire anyone these days.
The guy waited 2 years to explode.
dadpad
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 08:52 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

I'm warning you.

I have marsupial puns and I'm not afraid to use them.


@(0)@ <<<< have a koala.
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 09:06 pm
@panzade,
Which makes me wonder, why did he choose to "explode" now, 2 years after he was fired? He could have reacted at the time.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 09:24 pm
@dadpad,
Now I'm hopping mad.
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panzade
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 09:52 pm
@msolga,
ah my dear antipod!
a vengeance se mange très-bien froide
msolga
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 10:03 pm
@panzade,
Sure. But maybe he's not this controlled. Maybe (& it's a possibility) he simply lost it. Possibly inspired by another shooting. I'm by no means an expert on "copycat" killings, but I wouldn't totally disregard the notion that an unstable person with a big chip on his shoulder, could have been influenced ....
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 10:17 pm
@panzade,
Kind of my point, really.....I think more folk on the edge get triggered when one of these shootings happens.
panzade
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 10:32 pm
@dlowan,
Yeah, I see what both of you are saying.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 11:16 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Sounds like a classic nutjob, to me.

He didn't kill folks out of conviction, he killed folks because he was disaffected. Part of that disaffection may have been due to religious persecution, which you are attempting to perpetuate here.

Don't like Muslims? Fine. Go not like Muslims and hang out with the folks who don't like Muslims, or blacks, or Mexicans, or Catholics.

But don't try to make this about Islam, 'cause it just won't fly.

I imagine the guy had two hands, two feet, and a penis. Maybe we need to lock up everyone who matches that description. Then you'll be the only "guy" walking around free....


Well, of course he is a nut job just as the young woman who straps dynamite around her waist and wades into an Iraqi bazzare.

Do you draw a psychological distinction between the two?

Do you buy what might have been the Major's argument that the suicide bomber is somehow a hero akin to the marine who dives on a grenade?

You know he killed people out of disaffection rather than conviction?

That's interesting.

Your confreres cautioned me and everyone like me to not jump to any conclusion, but you, apparently, get a free pass.

I don't have the evidence , at this early stage, to validate anything I might argue, but you do.

Hhmmmnn.

Interesting.

Can there be a more idiotic charge than yours which asserts I am attempting to perpetuate religious persecution?

How so? Plain and simple DrewDad, how so?

I'm sure this idiotic charge scored big points with your fellow travellers, but do you have the intellectual integrity to substantiate your argument?

Likewise your childish charge that I don't "like" Muslims and should hang out with all the other bigots who you imagine or see.

It won't "fly" that this is about Islam? Why not? Because the great and powerful DrewDad says so?

And your sophomoric last line: I guess I am supposed to retire to the shadows because you assert I don't have a penis (nor, strangley, two hands and two feet!)

I'm sure your bombast gives you a personal thrill and it, apparently, elevates you in the regard of your fellow fools, but if you have half the intelligence you lay claim to, you should be able to review your spew and recognize it for what it is worth.

Let's see:

1) He is alleged to have cried "God is Great" before he opened fire.
2) Despite the fact that he was an American citizen born in Virginia and who joined the American military, he found it important to dress in Arabic garb the morning before he launched his personal jihad.
3) He was under investigation because of possible connections to extremist internet posts
4) He argued with his his fellow serviceman that the US had no right to be engaged in Iraq or Afghanistan
5) Although his family was Jordanian he contended he was from Palestine in miltary paper he completed.

With the exception of #3, none of these points prove that the Major was anything but a red blooded American soldier, but when you combine them it would be idiotic to assert they are meaningless.

But then you must be right because this was the only instance where violence was perpetrated by someone embracing his or her identity as a Muslim

The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette post reported Abdul Hakim Muhammad was “on a mission to 'kill as many people in the Army as he could,' police said” and targeted the “soldiers 'because of what they had done to Muslims in the past.'”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/us/02recruit.html

In March 2006, Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born American citizen, confessed to intentionally hitting people with a sport utility vehicle on the campus of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill to "avenge the deaths of Muslims worldwide" and to "punish" the United States government. While no one was killed in the attack, nine people were injured (none seriously).

Shortly after the attack, he turned himself in and was arrested. He pled guilty to nine counts of attempted first-degree murder, and in 2008 was sentenced to 33 years in prison.


In one letter, Taheri-azar wrote, "I was aiming to follow in the footsteps of one of my role models, Mohamed Atta, one of the 9/11 hijackers, who obtained a doctorate degree." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammed_Reza_Taheri-azar_SUV_attack

One US soldier was killed and 15 were wounded today when a Muslim American serviceman apparently angered by the war against Iraq rolled hand-grenades into their tents.



These are but three incidents, but they mean nothing.

If even one "nut job" killed even one person while shouting "Jesus Christ is the One!" I'm sure you and your friends would find it as meaningless.

Yeah right.





msolga
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 11:43 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:
Well, of course he is a nut job just as the young woman who straps dynamite around her waist and wades into an Iraqi bazzare.


Or perhaps a more common variety of "nut job"? Like any number of the nut jobs responsible for the all too frequent incomprehensible mass killings in the US (especially) & elsewhere ...
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 11:46 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
You apparently lump all Muslims into the one category, despite the fact mass killings by non Muslims occur all the time. I can hear you in the 19th Century proclaiming, "The only good Indian is a dead Indian."
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 7 Nov, 2009 12:02 am
Quote:
This small sliver of the overall U.S. population has carried the burden of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, mostly without complaint, for years. It’s time to reassess what we’re doing to them.

By the end of last summer, the Army was reporting the highest tallies of soldier suicides since accurate record-keeping began. We’re getting saturation media coverage of Thursday’s outburst of horror at Fort Hood, but we haven’t heard a lot about the scores of suicides at that same base " the highest of any U.S. military installation " since the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

If we’re going to fight wars as a nation, then we need to draw our warriors from a wider swath of the population and give them the full and complete support that they need and deserve. We’ll no doubt be analyzing the twisted psychological state of Nidal Malik Hasan every which way from sundown. But we’ll continue to give short shrift to the daily struggles and frequent horrors of the honorable men and women who have taken on the thankless task of fighting our wars.

This is not just shameful, it’s unsustainable.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/opinion/07herbert.html?hp

I agree with this. Those who serve pay for America insisting on trying to wage war on the cheap. This is just like how we spend our kids money, how we look the other way as our economic system abuses increasingly large numbers of people. It is another ramification of our moral failure.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 7 Nov, 2009 12:06 am
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

Quote:
Well, of course he is a nut job just as the young woman who straps dynamite around her waist and wades into an Iraqi bazzare.


Or perhaps a more common variety of "nut job"? Like any number of the nut jobs responsible for the all too frequent incomprehensible mass killings in the US (especially) & elsewhere ...


I'm sure you felt quite proud of this post, but what the hell is it supposed to mean?
msolga
 
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Reply Sat 7 Nov, 2009 12:09 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Exactly what I said.

I don't feel "proud" or otherwise ...

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 7 Nov, 2009 12:14 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

You apparently lump all Muslims into the one category, despite the fact mass killings by non Muslims occur all the time. I can hear you in the 19th Century proclaiming, "The only good Indian is a dead Indian."


edgar you are to be praised for your steadfastness.

No matter the argument that is presented to you, you will respond as you always have.

Explain your contention that I "lump all Muslims into one category" if you can.

Mass killings happen all of the time?

Really?

Let's identify all of the incidents of public mass violence in the last 9 years (post 9/11) and then we can determine to what extent spontaneous or planned jihadism played a role.

I've given you at least three examples and have not included the Fort Hood massacre.

Your serve.

Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 7 Nov, 2009 12:15 am
@msolga,
msolga wrote:

Exactly what I said.

I don't feel "proud" or otherwise ...




Nice dodge
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Sat 7 Nov, 2009 12:22 am
I was asked on a different forum I write on (that's right, I'm polyamorous with other social media sites) whether this incident should make us reconsider racial profiling.

So... after several white and even christian military personnel have killed their pregnant wives in their homes on base, after several rapes by white males on bases, after white soldiers have recently been found to have found to have committed execution style murders in Iraq the topic of racial profiling comes up when the Muslim guy commits a crime.

Understood.

Let's talk about this NOW.

T
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 7 Nov, 2009 12:24 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

And the merits of your position are few and far between.

Why aren't you for universal body armor?
Did I say that I am not ?

Whoever wishes to use it shoud freely do so.
I never have.

Woud that interfere with the right to bare arms?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 7 Nov, 2009 12:25 am
@Diest TKO,
one the one side you have crimes of passion, on the other the crimes of a nut who hates america...nuf said.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 7 Nov, 2009 12:28 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Dodging? I'm not dodging at all.

I'm responding to this statement of yours, which I find utterly inappropriate to the situation we're discussing here.

Quote:
Well, of course he is a nut job just as the young woman who straps dynamite around her waist and wades into an Iraqi bazzare.

 

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