At least seven killed in shooting at Fort Hood, Tex.

@joefromchicago,

joefromchicago wrote:

If only the victims had had access to firearms, this wouldn't have happened.

Not cool man. Not the time for that type shyt.

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Oh my god and this man had been a psychiatrist at Walter Reed Hospital. I wonder what made him flip out?

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Is there any word yet on who the second guy may have been?

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They at first arrested two men, but released them. Now, they say the shooter is alive and in stable condition.

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@joefromchicago,

joefromchicago wrote:

If only the victims had had access to firearms, this wouldn't have happened.

"Access" is not enuf; IMMEDIATE access is the difference between survival and perishing.
That is to say that the victims NEEDED to have defensive weapons strapped to them.

That is a NEED, in the biological sense: a necessary condition of life, guns, water, and food, in that priority.

One can live much longer without food than one can without water.
One can live much longer without water than one can without emergency defensive guns,
when thay become necessary.
Quad est demonstratum.

David

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@maporsche,

maporsche wrote:

Did your heart even skip a beat before looking for some political angle?

What "political angle" would that be?

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@snood,

snood wrote:

Not cool man. Not the time for that type shyt.

Your concerns have been duly noted.

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Very sad.

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It's probably going to be at least a couple of days until the media gets this whole mess sorted out (the whose and to a lesser degree, the more challenging of the factors: the whys).

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@tsarstepan,

Yes, there are suggestions being made about why this guy went off the rails....but, who in hell knows right now?

Being a psychiatrist doesn't necessarily help...we had the Head of Psychiatry at our biggest hospital jump off the roof a couple of years ago, and a few years before that, a de-registered psychiatrist assassinated the woman he blamed for his de-registration, a fellow psychiatrist, and the head of our state mental health services, just outside the lift at her workplace.

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@dlowan,

Is stating the case that psychiatrists are human to... too simplistic an answer?

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@tsarstepan,

Not necessarily too simplistic. But certainly debatable.

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@tsarstepan,

Nah.

I'm just waiting for the "Psychiatrists are all crazy" mob to come along.

My answer to that is that I think they're crazy in about the normal proportions.

Working with so many traumatized folk isn't good for the mental health of any of the therapy professions.....but we're supposed to be able to manage the stress and it's our failing if it gets to us...that's an especially true double bind for the medical, or strongly medicalised, folk, I think. Especially the guys.

I hope at least something practical and protective ends up being learned from whatever the hell triggered this.

Sigh.

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joe - I have to agree the others here. Time and place dude. It's not that I disagree with you, nor is the irony lost on the location and access to firearms, but I think that the fact that my mind went there without it being said kind of suggests, that well... it didn't need to be said.

This is tragic enough without cynicism.
K
O

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@tsarstepan,

tsarstepan wrote:

It's probably going to be at least a couple of days until the media
gets this whole mess sorted out
(the whose and to a lesser degree, the more challenging of the factors: the whys).

In the immortal words of Mayor Rudy Giuliani,
in a moment of rare insight: " who KNOWS Y crazy people do things? "

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@dlowan,

dlowan wrote:

Yes, there are suggestions being made about why this guy went off the rails....but, who in hell knows right now?

Being a psychiatrist doesn't necessarily help...we had the Head of Psychiatry at our biggest hospital jump off the roof a couple of years ago, and a few years before that, a de-registered psychiatrist assassinated the woman he blamed for his de-registration, a fellow psychiatrist, and the head of our state mental health services, just outside the lift at her workplace.

I took a course in abnormal psychology in college many years ago.
On the first day of class, the professor told us that there is
a higher degree of unstable mental health among psychologists
(including psychiatrists) than in any other profession.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

I know... <<sigh>>

In theory, I was thinking along the lines of if this could be prevented in the future. But in reality, that's quite a herculean task: predict and prevent the unpredictable and inevitably unstoppable tragic and violent events.

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@dlowan,

dlowan wrote:

Quote:
Nah.

I'm just waiting for the "Psychiatrists are all crazy" mob to come along.

My answer to that is that I think they're crazy in about the normal proportions.
I, for one, have no opinion on that,
but if it were true, then we 'd probably see a greater proportion
of violent crime being committed by psychiatrists than we do.

Quote:
Working with so many traumatized folk isn't good for the mental health of any of the therapy professions.....but we're supposed to be able to manage the stress and it's our failing if it gets to us...that's an especially true double bind for the medical, or strongly medicalised, folk, I think. Especially the guys.

I hope at least something practical and protective ends up being learned from whatever the hell triggered this.

Sigh.
Are u a psychiatrist ?

David

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@tsarstepan,

tsarstepan wrote:

I know... <<sigh>>

In theory, I was thinking along the lines of if this could be prevented in the future.
But in reality, that's quite a herculean task: predict and prevent
the unpredictable and inevitably unstoppable tragic and violent events.

That is the reason I have repeatedly advocated
that future victims arm themselves in preparation for defense;
like fire drills. Its a safety consideration.

NO ONE -- no police -- is closer to the scene of the emergency than the VICTIM is.
He, she or thay need, to be able to handle a life-threatening emergency.

David

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@roger,

roger wrote:

Probably true. Army has always had a thing about locking up the guns.

If this had happened to a group of Military Police,
(who are armed with handguns) the murderer woud have been shot a lot sooner.

David

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