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At least seven killed in shooting at Fort Hood, Tex.

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 01:49 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
If this had happened to a group of Military Police,
(who are armed with handguns) the murderer woud have been shot a lot sooner


there was a quote from a soldier who was there (I think he was there) saying that he wished this had happened in Iraq, cause in Iraq soldiers keep their weapons on them 24/7 and thus would have had a way to defend himself.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 02:08 am
@hawkeye10,
David wrote:
Quote:
If this had happened to a group of Military Police,
(who are armed with handguns) the murderer woud have been shot a lot sooner

Hawkeye10 wrote:
Quote:
there was a quote from a soldier who was there (I think he was there)
saying that he wished this had happened in Iraq, cause in Iraq soldiers
keep their weapons on them 24/7 and thus would have had a way to defend himself.
Sure; that 's like one of the passengers who drowned with the Titanic wishing he had a lifeboat.





David
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saab
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 03:57 am
What a terrible thing to happen.
Young men and women on their way to Iraq or Afghanistan, brave young people and now this.
I feel for their family and friends and all the soldiers in Fort Hood.

'Hassan was reacting with open glee at the death of some soldiers by a suicide bomber. " If this is true why was he allowed to stay in the army??

I wish that David would stop more or less blaming the victims by saying it would not have happened if the had carried a gun.
It is a tragedy and one should not make it worse by blaming a victim.

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saab
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 04:46 am
Here we go again.
It is not the fault of the offender..but somebody else. Always the victims or the law is at fault.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 05:55 am
@Diest TKO,
There is no irony to be found here either. These people did not have access to their weapons. This was in Texas, not Iraq.
maporsche
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 05:58 am
@joefromchicago,
Don't play stupid Joe, you poor, heartless, bastard. ;-)
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 07:03 am
@OmSigDAVID,
You need to live in a world where everything is simpler and the nuances of complex life dont get in the way with your Chuck Norris mind.

Lets mourn and try to understand what happened here. We have a Major who, as the prime suspect has apparently left a pretty good forensic track. Please allow the rest of the country to find out the whys and try to come up with some answers before you go strining up yer rope and loading yer pistolas.

Ill bet that You scare the hell out of the children Dave.
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 07:09 am
@farmerman,
hopefully time travel is invented soon and dave can go live in about 1830 or so

he'd love it
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 07:11 am
@djjd62,
maybe not, in 1830 they still used cap and ball . Dave likes his reloads.
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 07:16 am
@farmerman,
true, but how far into the 20th century could you walk around strapped

i figured that time frame would give him a pretty good run
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panzade
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 08:15 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
`THESE VICTIMS WERE SACRIFICED
ON THE ALTAR OF GUN CONTROL.


Wow! All I can say is....Wow!

The insight is just...blinding!
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 08:56 am
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

There is no irony to be found here either.
These people did not have access to their weapons. This was in Texas, not Iraq.
Army officers, including that Lt. General in command of the post,
are sworn to support and uphold the Constitution.
These officers and gentlemen then go and violate the Bill of Rights,
with the result of lost lives.

" UNITED STATES CODE TITLE 18

CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I

CRIMES CHAPTER 13 - CIVIL RIGHTS

§§ 241. Conspiracy against rights
If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten,
or intimidate any inhabitant of any State, . . .
in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right
or privilege secured to him by
the Constitution or laws of the United States
,
. . .
They shall be fined not more than $10,000
or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both;
and if death results, they shall be subject to imprisonment
for any term of years or for life.

§§ 242. Deprivation of rights under color of law
Whoever, under color of any law, statute,
ordinance, regulation, or custom,
willfully subjects any inhabitant of any State,
Territory, or District to the deprivation of any rights,
privileges, or immunities secured or protected
by the Constitution or laws of the United States, . . .
shall be fined not more than $1,000
or imprisoned not more than one year, or both;
and if bodily injury results shall be fined under this title
or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results
from the acts committed in violation of this section
or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, . . .
or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned
for any term of years or for life, or both,
or may be sentenced to death."


I don 't actually expect a prosecution under this statute, but the
underlying principle, the reasoning, that motivated enactment
of the statute remains: deaths resulted from violation
of these soldiers' constitutional rights
on US territory.







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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 08:59 am
@panzade,
Interesting, in a very sad way, that friendly fire is apparently being investigated as a cause of death for a couple of the victims.

Simply tragic.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 09:00 am
@maporsche,
Go hug a gun.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 09:01 am
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:

joe - I have to agree the others here. Time and place dude. It's not that I disagree with you, nor is the irony lost on the location and access to firearms, but I think that the fact that my mind went there without it being said kind of suggests, that well... it didn't need to be said.

This is tragic enough without cynicism.
K
O

Your concerns have been duly noted.
dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 09:02 am
@ehBeth,
Simply tragic.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 09:03 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

You need to live in a world where everything is simpler and the nuances of complex life dont get in the way with your Chuck Norris mind.

Lets mourn and try to understand what happened here. We have a Major who, as the prime suspect has apparently left a pretty good forensic track. Please allow the rest of the country to find out the whys and try to come up with some answers before you go strining up yer rope and loading yer pistolas.

Ill bet that You scare the hell out of the children Dave.
Not even on Halloween. Let 's not forget safety, Farmer;
the safety of these victims, and the safety of FUTURE VICTIMS.

Its not a question of ropes being applied vindictively.
Its a question of the victims being able to save themselves when it counted.

I know that if I had been among the victims, I 'd have CARED
about being able to fight back and save myself,
not just exhibit myself as a target.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 6 Nov, 2009 09:11 am
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

hopefully time travel is invented soon and dave can go live in about 1830 or so

he'd love it
Its fun to think about that; America was clean n free.
(I 've kinda gotten used to electricity, tho.)
I 'd want to take some of my stuff back with me,
including my gun collection; its technology was slow in evolving.





David
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