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Conservatives say the Bible is too Liberal

 
 
Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 03:35 pm
Huffington Post wrote:
Conservative Bible Project Cuts Out Liberal Passages
The Huffington Post | Rachel Weiner


Lo and behold, the Bible has gotten too liberal, according to a group of conservatives. And it needs a little editing.

That's the inspiration behind the Conservative Bible Project, which seeks to take the text back to its supposed right-wing roots.

Yes, even scripture is not orthodox enough for the modern conservative. Not that it's the fault of the author(s), exactly. The group cites a few reasons why the Bible is too progressive: "Lack of precision in the original language ... lack of precision in modern language" and "translation bias in converting the original language to the modern one."

So how can the Bible be conservatized? The group has proposed a Wikipedia-like group editing project. Some of the ideas would only bring the translation closer to the original. But others would fundamentally change the text.

1. Framework against Liberal Bias: providing a strong framework that enables a thought-for-thought translation without corruption by liberal bias

2. Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, "gender inclusive" language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity
3. Not Dumbed Down: not dumbing down the reading level, or diluting the intellectual force and logic of Christianity; the NIV is written at only the 7th grade level[3]
4. Utilize Powerful Conservative Terms: using powerful new conservative terms as they develop;[4] defective translations use the word "comrade" three times as often as "volunteer"; similarly, updating words which have a change in meaning, such as "word", "peace", and "miracle".
5. Combat Harmful Addiction: combating addiction by using modern terms for it, such as "gamble" rather than "cast lots";[5] using modern political terms, such as "register" rather than "enroll" for the census
6. Accept the Logic of Hell: applying logic with its full force and effect, as in not denying or downplaying the very real existence of Hell or the Devil.
7. Express Free Market Parables; explaining the numerous economic parables with their full free-market meaning
8. Exclude Later-Inserted Liberal Passages: excluding the later-inserted liberal passages that are not authentic, such as the adulteress story
9. Credit Open-Mindedness of Disciples: crediting open-mindedness, often found in youngsters like the eyewitnesses Mark and John, the authors of two of the Gospels
10. Prefer Conciseness over Liberal Wordiness: preferring conciseness to the liberal style of high word-to-substance ratio; avoid compound negatives and unnecessary ambiguities; prefer concise, consistent use of the word "Lord" rather than "Jehovah" or "Yahweh" or "Lord God."

Among the words to be eliminated: "government." A conservative columnist at Beliefnet described the effort as "just crazy ... like what you'd get if you crossed the Jesus Seminar with the College Republican chapter at a rural institution of Bible learnin'."


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/05/conservative-bible-projec_n_310037.html?view=print


Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/05/conservative-bible-projec_n_310037.html?view=print

Politics. Religion. It's the perfect storm.

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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 03:45 pm
Of course they think it's too liberal.

Conservative Christianity = American Taliban
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 03:46 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

Of course they think it's too liberal.

Conservative Christianity = American Taliban

Damn. You took it there.

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Green Witch
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 03:56 pm
@Diest TKO,
Yes, they are also going to update some of the old stogy images of Jesus to be more in tune to their beliefs:

http://www.studio303.com/masonice/jesus_gun.jpeg

ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 04:00 pm
Damn you Deist (meant figuratively of course)! I just posted this before I noticed you beat me to it, so I had to delete my thread...

When I first saw this, I was sure it was snark-- but given its inclusion in Conservepedia, I supposed this is a sincere effort. Apparently the Bible is too "liberal" for some people.

The "Conservative Bible Project" is a project to "identify pro-liberal terms used in existing Bible translations, such as "government", and suggest more accurate substitutes "

I don't know what they are going to do with "turn the other cheek", "sell your possessions to give to the poor" or "forgive those who sin against you". But it should be interesting...

But then again, the following passage always struck me as particularly socialistic...

Luke (in Acts 2) wrote:
They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need. Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.


Any conservative here want to take a stab at what Jesus meant by "Blessed are the Meek"?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 05:49 pm
I am just having a really hard time imagining how they are going to square this with "Bible is the word of God" evangelicals. Those people believe that the King James version is the only true word of God, they aren't going to take to anyone rewriting it, even if they are "conservatives".
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 06:09 pm
If you ever want to send an evangelical screaming 'round the bend, point out that King James was homosexual. I've had people offer to black my eye for saying as much.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 06:22 pm
How does one say, "Turn the other cheek" and "Love your enemy" in conservative speak?
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djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 06:25 pm
couldn't they just get rid of the new testament
dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 06:28 pm
well, I'm thinking the Bible got way too liberal with all that jesus stuff in the NT, there was a lot of great **** in the OT. I mean let's face it, the beautitudes are not far from some hippie commune mantra.
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 06:32 pm
@dyslexia,
some conservative damn near had an aneurysm when i tried to say that jesus was a socialist , on a thread one time
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 07:43 pm
@Diest TKO,
Never too late for a new branch...

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/DenomBranch.png
ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 08:23 pm
@rosborne979,
Where is that graph from? It is both odd and incorrect, particularly in the place it gives Restorationism which was an offshoot of the Anabaptists and hardly unique in its claim of "separate lineage" (a claim made by many if not most Protestant denominations).

rosborne979
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 08:33 pm
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:

Where is that graph from?

I don't know. You can probably follow the link to it. All I did was put "religious branches" into Google and it spewed out a vast number of that one image, so I just picked one.

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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 08:53 pm
Gotta love the conservatives. Do they all have their shoelaces untied or are they just tripping over their own feet?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 11:03 pm
I just checked, and they haven't done Matthew 5-7 (The Sermon on the Mount) yet. I am really curious to see how they are going to handle that one.

In the parts they have completed, the only real change is substituting the word "intellectual" for any of the antagonists in the Gospels. I suppose this is mildly amusing.
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 11:17 pm
@ebrown p,
Wait... are you joking or is that a real example?

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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 5 Oct, 2009 11:46 pm
@Diest TKO,
Nope I am not kidding. Take this passage from Mark 3 (which ironically has a liberal message even after it has been "conservatized").

Quote:
Jesus returned to the synagogue, and noticed man with a crippled hand.

The intellectuals watched Jesus to see if he might catch and accuse him of healing on the Sabbath. Jesus told the man with the crippled hand, "Stand up in front of everyone."

Jesus asked the intellectuals, "Which is lawful on the Sabbath: doing good or evil? Saving a life, or killing one? The intellectuals did not answer." Jesus looked at them, feeling anger and pity for the hardness of their hearts, and said to the injured man, "Open your hand." He then opened and held out his hand, and it was as good as new.

The intellectuals then fled from the scene to plot with Herod's people against Jesus, and plan how they might destroy him.



http://conservapedia.com/Gospel_of_Mark_(Translated)
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 12:06 am
@Green Witch,
Green Witch wrote:

Yes, they are also going to update some of the old stogy images of Jesus to be more in tune to their beliefs:

http://www.studio303.com/masonice/jesus_gun.jpeg


If you don 't own a sword, you better buy one. Luke 22:36
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 12:13 am

The Bible can be rendered more conservative
by a more literal translation from its original language.

For instance:
something seemed rong with the Commandment
translated: "Thou shall not kill" because it leaves uncertain
self defense from violent depredations of man or beast,
or even fishing or harvesting wheat to avoid starvation.

I have been informed by Jewish authorities
that a closer translation is: "Thou shall not murder"





David
 

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