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Conservatives say the Bible is too Liberal

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 12:45 pm
@JPB,
JPB wrote:

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2. Not Emasculated: avoiding unisex, "gender inclusive" language, and other modern emasculation of Christianity


Right! Those women need to know who's in charge!
Such language as, e.g.: "peace on Earth and good will to men" obviously refers to THE SPECIES.
That is not a reference to gender. We love our chicks.
ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 12:51 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
The Bible clearly states that women should be submissive to their husbands... because the husband is the head of the wife. It also says that women should stay quiet in church (and if they have any questions, they should ask their husband later).
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 12:57 pm
@revel,
revel wrote:

(I just happen the like the lyricness ( not a word) of the king james version
and would never even read a "more concise version" or even a more modern one.)
That is the only version that I have
and my quotes are all from it
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 01:02 pm
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:

The Bible clearly states that women should be submissive to their husbands...
because the husband is the head of the wife.
It also says that women should stay quiet in church
(and if they have any questions, they should ask their husband later).
Y don 't u CITE to your specifc source
to demonstrate your point and to enable us to check ???

Did u see how I cited each of my attributions to Jesus?
ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 01:20 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
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A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing"if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.


From 1 Timothy 2.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 01:59 pm
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:

Quote:
A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man;
she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was
deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through
childbearing"if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.


From 1 Timothy 2.


Let us note that these are the exhortations of PAUL, not of Jesus.

Any preacher can express his own opinions about anything,
but Jesus did not give Paul authority to order us around.





David
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 01:59 pm
Boy, gotta admit those epistles are hard to tolerate. It is not the part where a man is head of a woman that i find so objectionable but the reasoning behind it that I have always struggled with in accepting.

Quote:
1 Timothy 2: 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


I am not sure how to take this. I am not sure if Paul was saying because Eve was decived, all women are gullible or because Eve was decived she alone was in transgression (when all of them was in transgression and were punished) and so from then on all women can not teach or usurp authority over a man; but hey she is saved if she able to bear a child and both the man and the woman continues in faith and Charity and holiness.

To say the Bible is emasculating truly is a stretch to say the least.

revel
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 02:03 pm
Quote:
Any preacher can express his own opinions about anything,
but Jesus did not give Paul authority to order us around.


Actually he did just that.

Act 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, [saying], I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 02:09 pm
@revel,
No Revel, you don't understand.

The Bible is masculated as it is. Removing or explaining away passages like this would be the process of emasculating it.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 02:13 pm
Paul was gay.

Ever'body knows that . . .
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 02:13 pm
@revel,
revel wrote:

Nevertheless osdavid, you did originally try to portray "Put up again thy sword into his place"
as some kind of endorsement of gun (sword) rights or something like that after responding
the image of Jesus holding a sword.
To me, that looks like a Barrett .50 caliber rifle, not a sword.





David
revel
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 02:19 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Your right it was some kind of gun, (take your word for what kind) I stand corrected. shrugs Point remains the same.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 02:21 pm
@revel,
revel wrote:

Quote:
Any preacher can express his own opinions about anything,
but Jesus did not give Paul authority to order us around.


Actually he did just that.

Act 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, [saying],
I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles,
that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.
U say: "Actually he did just that." I disagree that he gave them legislative powers.
He seems to mean that thay shoud spread the word around.
That is not the same thing as to issue new commandments.
revel
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 02:28 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
To throw another scripture around:

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 02:28 pm
@revel,
revel wrote:

Your right it was some kind of gun, (take your word for what kind)
I stand corrected. shrugs Point remains the same.
The point is and remains that Jesus advises that if we don 't own a sword we shoud buy one (extrapolating to a gun, today)
even if we need to sell our coats to raise the cash to buy the sword or gun.

The alternative is to say that if a predatory man or beast decides to kill u: just let him DO it, effectively committing suicide.



David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 02:30 pm
@revel,
revel wrote:

To throw another scripture around:

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


Your point being WHAT ?
revel
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 02:30 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
The point is and remains that Jesus advises that if we don 't own a sword we shoud buy one (extrapolating to a gun, today)
even if we need to sell our coats to raise the cash to buy the sword or gun.


He advised no such thing and especially not in the passages cited a while back. (or was this really a joke?)
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 02:37 pm
@revel,
revel wrote:

Quote:
The point is and remains that Jesus advises that if we don 't own a sword we shoud buy one (extrapolating to a gun, today)
even if we need to sell our coats to raise the cash to buy the sword or gun.


He advised no such thing and especially not in the passages cited a while back. (or was this really a joke?)
Its no joke.
Upon WHAT REASONING do u claim that
"He advised no such thing and especially not in the passages cited "

Jesus was very clear and plainly to be understood
that you shoud buy a sword, if you don' t already have one.

If u deny that,
what is your reasoning ?
revel
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 02:38 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
My point being that the Bible was not written by man's private interpretation or out of their own minds or "opinions." But written by the inspiration of God. So, when Paul said he suffered not a women teach that was inspired by God and not just a private preacher's belief since it is in the bible. Either that is true, or else either Paul is a liar and his accounts and Epistles should not have been in the mix when the Bible was cobbled together or the whole bible is a lie.



OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 6 Oct, 2009 02:57 pm
@revel,
revel wrote:

My point being that the Bible was not written by man's private interpretation or out of their own minds or "opinions." But written by the inspiration of God. So, when Paul said he suffered not a women teach that was inspired by God and not just a private preacher's belief since it is in the bible. Either that is true, or else either Paul is a liar and his accounts and Epistles should not have been in the mix

when the Bible was cobbled together or the whole bible is a lie.
Someone can say:
1 + 7 = 2

4 + 4 = 8

and 3 + 4 = 374.

Is the whole assertion a lie ?
 

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