Conservatives say the Bible is too Liberal

(From Matthew 5)

Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.

Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you.

Your argument to ebrown about Paul just offering his own private opinion does not square with what the Bible says about the scripture (the whole bible)being the inspiration of God. Either all of it is inspired by God or else the bible gives out a lie when it says all scripture is inspired by God. It is not supposed to be composed of private preachers (prophets) ramblings.

2Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

you are off the deep end when it comes to guns (swords) david
and guilty of "twisting scripture for your own ends".

He did not tell everyone to buy a sword but only those apostles who were him on Mt Olives and he did it to make a point he did not need to be defended by swords because his Father could send thousands of angels if he required it, but the scriptures needed to be fulfilled. He was not advocating on buying guns or advocating on gun control.

I would also note that Jesus told them to buy a sword only for this special occasion. [ ?? ]
[ WHAT "special occasion" ????
There was a "special occasion" ???? ]


The fact that they had to buy the sword (he didn't tell them to "bring" their sword)
meant that at this point they didn't already have one.
Read my quotes, set forth below
He did not tell THEM to buy a sword, rather he said, in general,
that whoever does not have one shoud BUY one


They had been with Jesus for three years without ever having owned a sword.
Then WHERE did those 2 swords come from ??

During all this time Jesus was telling them to give to the poor,
to love their neighbor and to forgive people. Obviously [ ?? ]
for three years a sword was not a necessity
(and was not even mentioned in the list of what Jesus considered important).
Yeah? Well it was mentioned in the list of Luke 22:38
and those swords were RIGHT THERE, when he brought up the subject

Mat 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out [his] hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.


Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.


Mat 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?


Mat 26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

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There is no inconsistency when you use your reasoning
instead of your obsession with guns.

Revel, u have superimposed your own reasoning over that of Jesus
(as set forth in Luke 22:36) to get a resut that u prefer.
In other words, u re-wrote Jesus because u did not like what he said.
My obsession with guns has not caused me to lose my ability to read plain English.

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Perhaps you should read it slowly without your ideological blinders on to obscure your view.

I have read it quite a few times already
and I am willing to continue to do so, because I like what I see.

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In Luke he told them to buy a sword, by the way, not everyone.

That is a mistake, Revel.
Jesus said: "he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
If u were correct that he was only ordering his own immediate followers, within the sound of his voice,
to get swords unless thay already had one, then what was the reasoning for that?
U claim that he wanted each of his immediate followers
to have a sword; i.e., 12 followers = 12 swords.
What was his reasoning for this, according to the story?
We know that he was NOT preparing for a fight.
As u correctly quoted from Matthew 26:52, he stopped resistance
at the local time and place, because he was not supposed to prevent the crucifiction.
According to your interpretation, Revel,
what was Jesus' reasoning in desiring each of his followers to have a sword ?
Meaning no disrespect, I truely do not want to hurt your feelings,
but it is clear that Jesus was NOT telling his immediate followers to get a sword;
he was recommending it generally and universally.
I understand that Jewish Law requires u to resist getting murdered
and that failure to do so is a sin.

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Moreover, if he told them to buy a sword so they could use it to defend themselves,

He did not do that; he was recommending it generally and universally.

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why did he tell to put their swords up in its place

He did that to enable the crucification to happen.

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and who ever uses a sword will die by the sword?

At the time and place, resistance was inappropriate,
so he told them to put their swords away
because the crucifiction had to proceed.

Additionally, the number of swords that we know of (2 swords)
was tactically insufficient to overcome the soldiers
and the multitude anyway; therefore, fighting woud be futile
and his immediate followers woud be overwhelmed and killed
if thay used their swords there and then, but in the future,
in centuries and millenia to come, swords and guns coud be applied to better effect.

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The only reasonable explanation which can be reached is that he wanted to illustrate that he did not need swords or other weapons in his offense because he could have prayed to God and had thousands of angels sent to defend him if he so desired.

That is better stated that because he coud get 1000s of angels to defend him,
HE did not need swords, but over the forthcoming millenia
others woud need swords and other weapons.

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Mat 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out [his] hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.


Mat 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.


Mat 26:53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?


Mat 26:54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

When a thread becomes all David all the time, I tune out.

Jesus said: "he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

OmSigDAVID wrote:

Jesus said: "he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

Jesus spoke metaphysically, Just as he said he would destroy the temple and raise it up in three days...