THE MORALITY OF ANTICIPATORY DEFENSE

@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

It was the mood of the times. If Marx had not written a word, they would have siezed on some other body of writing to justify their acts. You cannot know in advance whose writing will start mass murders. The Beatles did not write Helter Skelter with a thought to Charles Manson.

That 's possible.
Thay might have chosen something more benign
and caused less of a disturbance than 2 world wars,
the Second and Third World Wars. The Bolshevek revolution
was effectively a declaration of war on the world, to subject it
to communist totalitarianism. Hitler successfully campaigned against communism in Germany.

Insofar as non-ideological murders were concerned,
such as the 9 that I cited, the designated use of a time machine
is to rescue the victims. I acknowledge the freedom of those who object
to its use, to do nothing and to let the victims be raped and slaughtered.

I am sure those who have objected on this thread
woud feel the same way if thay or their mothers had been the victims of those rapists & murderers.

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@hingehead,

hingehead wrote:

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Can't wait to see you go back and kill Jesus.

I 'd apply my own sense of the best thing to do with time travel, not YOURS.
Jesus is safe from me,
and I am on the side of the Americans not the Indians.

hingehead wrote:

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I mean christianity directly led to a virtual wiping out of the USA's original indigenous inhabitants

I hope that I have not
given u the impression that I am POLITICALLY CORRECT !
I wonder whether I coud use a time machine
to sabotage political correctness b4 it gets started.

hingehead wrote:

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(ie the pilgrims leaving England to escape religious persecution of their brand of god, then a few years later
they're giving the indians blankets with cholera).

That was an act of war,
and it was nothing that the Indians woud not have done to us,
if thay had been able to pull it off.

hingehead wrote:

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You keep talking about 'what they did' in the past tense
when the point you kill them is before they've done what you are killing them for.

Your objection is specious reasoning.
Its fatuous; irrational. I 'd not choose to blind myself to the known facts.

hingehead wrote:

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Sloppy thinking. I'd call it immoral.

I reject that as having no merit.
It is nonsense.

hingehead wrote:

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And you still haven't told me why you have to kill them to stop them.

I strongly approve of killing murderers
(your objections to the contrary notwithstanding).
It gets the job done; its safe, its moral, its quick and its ez.

hingehead wrote:

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I can only hope you go back and kill someone who's continued existence predicates your own.
And I tend to think the further back you go the more likely that is to happen -
we are all at the end of a long stream of accidents and coincidences.

I already know that liberals like u reject good, reject logic and espouse evil.
The perpetrators of evil have good reason to love u.

Just as a point of curiousity,
I wonder how u 'd feel,
if instead of rescueing 12-year-old Polly Klass
from being raped and stabbed to death, IF
I were about to rescue your mother from being raped and stabbed to death before u were born,
by intercepting and killing the criminal before he committed those crimes against your mother.

Woud u disapprove of that, Hingehead ?
I wonder how Jack woud feel about the same thing ?

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@OmSigDAVID,

I feel that you are a twat David. You are incapable of real thought. You are a bundle of prejudices that you hold onto dearly because without them you have no existence. You consistently ignore questions you are asked and go off on tangents that you think prove your point. Your mind can't be changed because it set in concrete.

In short you bore me and you never offer any insight, something I rarely say of someone I disagree with. I will not trouble you again - but do me a favour and die soon.

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@hingehead,

hingehead wrote:

I feel that you are a twat David. You are incapable of real thought. You are a bundle of prejudices that you hold onto dearly because without them you have no existence. You consistently ignore questions you are asked and go off on tangents that you think prove your point. Your mind can't be changed because it set in concrete.

In short you bore me and you never offer any insight, something I rarely say of someone I disagree with. I will not trouble you again - but do me a favour and die soon.

If u were willing to engage in "real thought"
then u 'd do it, instead of just hurling personal insults.
Any fool can do that.
All of your accusations are insolent lies, having not the least merit.

I earnestly recommend that u put me on Ignore.
I deem it unlikely that anything that u have to say will have any merit,
upon the basis of your demonstrated limititation to hurling insults
rather than thoughtful commentary. Reciprocally, I will put u on Ignore.
I think that fair and for the best.

Except for putting u on Ignore,
I do not intend to do u any favors.

I live in a very joyful, happy and beautiful life.

Good bye, Hingehead.
I guess that 's a Dick Tracy bad-guy cartoon character.

David

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@hingehead,

David asked:

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Just as a point of curiousity,
I wonder how u 'd feel,
if instead of rescueing 12-year-old Polly Klass
from being raped and stabbed to death, IF
I were about to rescue your mother from being raped and stabbed to death before u were born,
by intercepting and killing the criminal before he committed those crimes against your mother.

Woud u disapprove of that, Hingehead ?
I wonder how Jack woud feel about the same thing ?

to which Hingehead responded:

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You consistently ignore questions you are asked and go off on tangents that you think prove your point. Your mind can't be changed because it set in concrete.

Not to pick on you specifically Hingehead - but to me, this is the only interesting question on this thread and everyone wanted to go off on some tangent about time loops and science fiction stories (which I can admit I have absolutely no understanding of or interest in because I've never finished even one science fiction book or movie I've ever began - I just don't have the ability to shelve my notions of reality- sort of how some people view religion - maybe that's how the anti-religionists get there doses of fantasy and delusion....but that's another thread....anyhow...

What David asked above is what interested me in this thread. Because although I'd like to be able to do away with someone who I knew was going to rape and murder my little girl the next day (which is what happened to Polly Klass- maybe living in Australia, you're not aware of that story- she was in her home having a sleepover with her friends when someone came in and kidnapped her from her bedroom while her friends watched in terror. The guy ran out of the house with her, put her in his car, raped and murdered her and left her body in a ditch where the police found it a couple of days later- the friends woke the mother up right away, but it was too late, he was gone with her daughter and he'd raped and killed her almost immediately after taking her- so sad.
And although I would feel justified and no immorality while I was doing it (if I had 100% accurate precognition- which I know is impossible- but this is one of those hypothetical threads), I don't know that I would physically be able to bring myself to do it- even though I think I would really, really want to. I can even see myself paying someone else to do it- that's sort of scary to realize about myself.

But that's the insight I gained about myself, from this thread, if nothing else.

And then it raised another question - would I want to be able to know? Because then what would be expected of me if I had such knowledge?

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@aidan,

There are no words to express how reprehensible & how shameful
I 'd feel, if I coud have rescued a person dear to me
(my mother, girlfriend, or any friend) and if I defaulted in my moral duty
to have both rescued and avenged her.

If I read about the rape and murder of Hingehead 's pregnant mother,
and if I had the means to go back in time and to intercept the criminal, shoud I DO it ?
or shoud I ignore her plight
and turn my attention to selecting a good restaurant for dinner ?
Presumably, people like him, woud suggest that I abandon her to her fate; just mind my own business.

I think I 'd give her a break and help her out,
Hingehead 's perversity of mind to the contrary notwithstanding.
If people subsequently complained that, as a result of my interference,
thay were stuck with Hingehead being around,
I 'd just recommend that thay find a carnivorous kangaroo
and feed him to him, or dump him in a billabong, at their option.

Some years ago, maybe in the 1980s, I saw an interview of the actor
called Mr. T on TV. Until then, I had not thought much of him,
in particular. He mentioned an incident wherein his mother
complained of getting mugged, and identified the mugger.
Mr. T said that he and his brothers found him and addressed the situation.
(I don 't remember his exact language on that point.)
When asked, he declined to say whether thay had killed him,
but he said: " u won 't see him no more." I admired that.
Thay put themselves at risk (as to the law, anyway) but thay
did the right thing. If I were ever on a jury wherein such a person as he
were on trial for this, I 'd certainly protect him
and do my best to get him acquitted.

I 'd give him a gold medal, but I guess he has enuf of those.

David

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@OmSigDAVID,

OmSigDavid wrote:

I saw a science fiction show.
It made me ponder.

Lost? It tends to do that to you. I suspect you're talking about Season 5, Episode 11.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/106250/lost-whatever-happened-happened

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@Thomas,

Thomas wrote:

OmSigDavid wrote:
I saw a science fiction show.
It made me ponder.

Lost? It tends to do that to you. I suspect you're talking about Season 5, Episode 11.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/106250/lost-whatever-happened-happened

No. I did not see the beginning thereof
and the little bits that I 've seen for a few moments since
were confusing. It was from Medium.

David

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