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INTERESTING TV: WHAT IF IT GOES FRANKENSTEIN?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 03:53 pm
@George,
George wrote:

Quote:
It was indeed very, very impressive, but I can 't help wondering:
what if thay turned that stuff against us ??
In other words, how do we respond if Obama decides
to declare a moratorium on democracy since the Demos are already in control?
What do we do if he or a subsequent president finds a clever excuse to stop elections??
( I did not say that he is going to do it; I said what if ?)

Let's begin by asking who are "they"?
Who are "us"?
(Sorry, I just can't bring myself to use phonetic spelling.
Consider it a character flaw.)

OK; I take a libertarian vu toward your spelling.

Thay means the hireling employee of the collective: government.
I began to refer to the Frankenstein concept in my opening paragrafs,
but I failed to develop it; the idea of creating something (meaning government)
which later turns against its creator (meaning us Individual citizens).

The voice of history speaks to us of the nature of human psychology.
(I know that 's not fonetic, but if I over-do it, I' ll drive everyone nuts n get them mad at me).
That nature includes politicians inevitably and inexorably
extending jurisdiction, to whom usurpation is no stranger.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 04:19 pm

OK: I am going to address the shorter posts first.
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roger
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 04:21 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

DID the founding fathers envision 1000 rounds a minute (or even worse, a chain gun with 3000 rounds a minute).


Did they envision telegraphy? Radio, television, the internet? Would we then apply the First Amendment to pamplets and newspapers turned out on a hand cranked press?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 04:22 pm
@George,
George wrote:

Quote:
You would get a Mao festering in the hills.

I haven't a hint of it's meaning,
but I love it.

Chiang and I did not believe that Mao festered as much as he shoud have.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 04:27 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:
In other words, how do we respond if Obama decides to declare a moratorium
on democracy since the Demos are already in control?

Because Democrats hate democracy, natch?

Yes, because thay lean toward
collectivist-authoritarianism to enforce an artificial economic equality.
Not even identical twins, nor even any 2 snowflakes are 100% equal.
Personal liberty is sacrificed upon the altar of this leftist fiction.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 04:54 pm
@dyslexia,
Kent State is where you had a mob of young people arm with rocks attacking another group of young National Guard members who was not train in crowd control and who panic.

Somehow I never could bring myself to feel too sorry for fools that throw rocks at men arm with rifles or was in the area watching fools throw rocks at arm men.

Remember afterward there was a demand that the university I was going to be shut down for a day and the engineering school students told the administration that if they force a shut down we would expect one day worth of tuition cost to be refunded to us.

The engineering school was the only school that was open at over 90 percent attended during the national day of mourning over the fools getting kill.
roger
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 04:57 pm
@BillRM,
Well, they made the assumption that those scared little boys didn't have ammunition. This is not generally a safe assumption.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 04:58 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Oh, please. Statism is as likely to be right-wing as it is to be left-wing.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 05:16 pm
@DrewDad,
EVEN more likely. Most Democrats dont spend much time justifying telephone tapping, bedroom preaching and prying, legislating Christian morals, and war thumping.

Both Dems and GOPs are guilty of subversion of the sciences so on that, all are even.
While Bush was pushing Evangelistic worldviews, Obama is pushing the gospel of anthropogenic global heating.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 05:26 pm
@roger,
Well, they made the assumption that those scared little boys didn't have ammunition. This is not generally a safe assumption.
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The fools in Washington had the airborne troops send into South Florida with their rifles but with no ammunition after Hurricane Andrew hit in 1992.

Everyone was openly carrying weapons at the time including even Post Office employees to maintain order and even in my small hard hit community neighbors was out patrolling with shotguns day and night until the local police force got it act together weeks after the event.

Now here we had well train troops with no mean of defense having problems with street gangs as a result in the Homestead area as everyone knew they was not arm.

Completely insane and I am surprise to this day that we did not have one or more of those young men kill as a result.
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 05:29 pm
@farmerman,
Well- when things are ticking over smoothly he can't just sit in the OO twiddling his thumbs. We might forget about him.

He has to be up and doing and be seen to be. Anthropogenic global heating is probably pretty harmless.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 07:21 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
EVEN more likely. Most Democrats dont spend much time justifying telephone tapping, bedroom preaching and prying, legislating Christian morals, and war thumping.


The Republicans are all about following the 9 commandments.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 07:26 pm
@George,
George wrote:

Is everyone in the military and police part of "they"?
Are all elected officals part of "they"?
Are all federal, state, and municipal employees part of "they"?

Are all Americans who are not working for the government "us"?

The concept is that thay are those who usurp power n take over the country,
overthrowing the Constitution, and those who support them.

The victims of this political oppression are "us".


I suspect that after a while that elections had been ended,
some elements in the military woud be interested in revolting.
Which side woud command the preponderance of power,
including WMDs, combat robots and counter-insurgency surveillance, does not look too good for freedom.

Does this portend a downward spiral eventuating in the Borg ?





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 07:33 pm
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:

David,

Obama is the Commander in Chief of the US Military.

The US Military has Tanks, State of the art Fighter Aircraft, flame throwers, rockets, artillery, napalm and nuclear weapons. (This is not to mention the mind control ray and the earthquake generators they are not telling us about).

Do you really think that even given the firepower that good folks like you have could stop the US government (given that it came to that)? Do you even have any anti-aircraft capability? The fact is, if our government ever really turns against us... we are pretty much screwed (at least militarily).

My armament of choice is an onion router and strong public key encryption.

I asked u first.

U have raised the concern which is heart of this thread.

Originally, the concept upon which this Republic was founded
was that the citizens 'd be well-armed and vastly outnumber
government employees, whom thay coud n woud overwhelm
to restore liberty against usurpation.

I join u in your expressed skepticism about that.

Good Luck with your onion.





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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 07:46 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Oh, please. Statism is as likely to be right-wing as it is to be left-wing.

That 's not true, but its almost true.
Democrats are more statist,
but Republicans of the Bush-McCain stripe are not much better.

I said it was a mistake when Ronald Reagan chose Bush.
He wished to BALANCE OFF his own conservatism.

The Bushes are R.I.N.O.s = Republicans in name only.

A real Republican was Barry Goldwater, or Bill Buckley, brother Senator James Buckley.





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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 07:51 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:
Quote:
EVEN more likely. Most Democrats dont spend much time justifying telephone tapping,
bedroom preaching and prying, legislating Christian morals, and war thumping.

That depends on war against WHOM,
and how popular "whom" is with the liberals.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 07:54 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Kent State is where you had a mob of young people arm with rocks attacking another group of young National Guard members who was not train in crowd control and who panic.

Somehow I never could bring myself to feel too sorry for fools that throw rocks at men arm with rifles
or was in the area watching fools throw rocks at arm men.


Remember afterward there was a demand that the university I was going to be shut down for a day and the engineering school students told the administration that if they force a shut down we would expect one day worth of tuition cost to be refunded to us.

The engineering school was the only school that was open at over 90 percent attended during the national day of mourning over the fools getting kill.


AGREED.
WELL SAID !






David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jul, 2009 09:47 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

EVEN more likely. Most Democrats dont spend much time justifying telephone tapping,
bedroom preaching and prying, legislating Christian morals, and war thumping.

Both Dems and GOPs are guilty of subversion of the sciences so on that, all are even.
While Bush was pushing Evangelistic worldviews, Obama is pushing the gospel of anthropogenic global heating.

W was an aberation.
He was a closet religious fanatic (theocrat),
based upon his earlier in life reform from alcoholism,
but even with that, neither he nor his father
were real Republicans; liberty did not ring loud nor true in their ears.





David
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2009 04:56 am
@BillRM,
Quote:
Kent State is where you had a mob of young people arm with rocks attacking another group of young National Guard members who was not train in crowd control and who panic.
unfit for military service and carrying loaded weapons?
George
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jul, 2009 06:36 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
The concept is that thay are those who usurp power n take over the country,
overthrowing the Constitution, and those who support them.

The victims of this political oppression are "us".

I guess I wasn't clear enough. I was looking for your definition of "they"
("thay"). I realize that you are talking about those who usurp power.
But I want to define who that would be. Otherwise, the definition is kind of
circular, if you know what I mean. Obviously "us" would be the victims.
But who, exactly, is "us"?

We can't talk rationally about what should be done unless we have these
terms clearly defined.

I will therefore define "they" ("thay") as Obama and his cabinet.
I will define "us" as the rest of America.

What should be done if Obama attempts to end elections?
He should be impeached by "us" through our representatives.
It's quite simple.
 

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