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U.S. Military Set to Intercept North Korean Ship Suspected of Proliferating Missiles, Nukes

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 07:48 am
@Setanta,


Like I said: Setantass has no ******* clue.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 07:52 am
@Setanta,
the US army began preparations for war in 1941, and was directly involved in running Germany for most of the last half of the 1940's. I bet that a guy serving during that time would say that he was part of ww2.
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 07:56 am
The density of comprehension here is hilarious. I've not denied that Yankee served in the Second World War (although we only have his "say-so" for that). I have simply pointed out that he did not serve for eight years in the Second World War, because we weren't in that war for eight years.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 08:08 am
@Setanta,


No ******* clue...
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 08:10 am
@Setanta,
Quote:
The density of comprehension here is hilarious. I've not denied that Yankee served in the Second World War (although we only have his "say-so" for that). I have simply pointed out that he did not serve for eight years in the Second World War, because we weren't in that war for eight years.


if you were serving in Germany 1947 as a new recruit you would have said that you missed the fighting, but that you were still helping with the war effort. The post fighting phase, the occupation phase. the rebuilding phase.
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Yankee
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 08:35 am
By HYUNG-JIN KIM

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) - A North Korean ship suspected of carrying illicit weapons cruised through waters off Shanghai on Tuesday en route to Myanmar, a news report said, as regional military officials and a U.S. destroyer kept a close eye on the vessel.

Washington's top military commander in South Korea, meanwhile, warned that the communist regime is bolstering its guerrilla warfare capacity.

Gen. Walter Sharp, who commands the 28,500 U.S. troops positioned in South Korea, said the North could employ roadside bombs and other guerrilla tactics if fighting breaks out again on the Korean peninsula. The two Koreas technically remain at war because their three-year conflict ended in a truce, not a peace treaty, in 1953.

North Korea is believed to have begun boosting its urban, nighttime and special operation capabilities in the wake of the U.S.-led war in Iraq, South Korea's Defense Ministry said. After the U.S. invasion of Iraq, North Korea claimed it would be the next target.

With 1.2 million troops, North Korea's army is one of the world's largest. Some 180,000 are special operation forces.

Last Wednesday, a North Korean-flagged vessel left the port of Nampo and was being trailed by a U.S. destroyer, a U.S. official said. It the first ship being monitored under the U.N. sanctions imposed earlier this month following North Korea's defiant underground nuclear test in May. The new resolution seeks to strengthen efforts to stop North Korea from developing its nuclear and missile programs and selling its technology.

The Kang Nam, accused of transporting illicit goods in the past, is believed to be carrying banned small arms to Myanmar, a South Korean intelligence official said Monday, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information.

However, analysts say a high-seas interception - a move North Korea has said it would consider an act of war - is unlikely.

The resolution calls on U.N. member states to inspect North Korean vessels if they have "reasonable grounds" to believe that its cargo contains banned weapons or materials. But it must first get the consent of the nation whose flag the ship is flying - in this case, North Korea's.

The North, however, is unlikely to allow any inspection of its cargo, said Hong Hyun-ik, an analyst at the Sejong Institute think tank outside Seoul.

If Pyongyang refuses, authorities must direct the vessel to a port. U.N. members have been ordered not to provided suspected ships with services such as fuel.

In Beijing, Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said China will "strictly observe" and implement the resolution. He urged other nations to also heed the U.N. guidelines.

"Under the current circumstances, we call upon all parties to refrain from acts that might escalate the tension," he said Tuesday.

Singapore, the world's busiest port and a top refueling center, said officials would "act appropriately" if asked to confront a North Korean ship believed to be carrying banned cargo.

"Singapore takes seriously the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, their means of delivery and related materials," a Foreign Affairs Ministry spokesman said Tuesday on condition of anonymity according to ministry policy. "If the allegation is true, Singapore will act appropriately."

The South Korean broadcaster YTN said the ship was traveling in waters 200 nautical miles (230 miles; 370 kilometers) southeast of Shanghai at a speed of about 10 knots (11.5 miles per hour; 18.5 kilometers per hour).

The Kang Nam is expected to dock at Myanmar's Thilawa port, some 20 miles (30 kilometers) south of Yangon, in the next few days, according to the Irrawaddy, an online magazine operated by independent exiled journalists from Myanmar, citing an unidentified port official.

North Korea is believed to have sold guns, artillery and other small weapons to Myanmar, said Kim Jin-moo, an analyst at Seoul's state-run Korea Institute for Defense Analyses.

An American destroyer, the USS John S. McCain, is relatively close to the North Korean vessel but had no orders to intercept it, a senior military official told The Associated Press last week on condition of anonymity.

Meanwhile, the U.S. and North Korea's neighbors were discussing how to deal with the increasingly defiant country amid signs it may be preparing a long-range missile test.

Ambassador Kathleen Stephens said the U.S. "remains willing and eager to engage North Korea" through diplomacy. But she said Washington and its allies have begun outlining defensive measures should the North continue with provocative acts.

"We're committed to do what is necessary to protect" the American people and their allies, she said at a Seoul forum also attended by ambassadors from China, Japan and Russia.

The vice defense ministers of Japan and South Korea also met Tuesday in Seoul, nuclear envoys from South Korea and Russia were slated to hold talks Wednesday in Moscow and a U.S. defense official was in the region for talks this week in Beijing, Seoul and Tokyo.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090623/D990C6EO0.html
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High Seas
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 11:31 am
@hawkeye10,
Is it correct to say that the US was already involved in hostilities with Germany during 1941, in your opinion:
Quote:
The U-boat commanders called it Operation Drumbeat " Paukenschlag " and very little was available to stop them. Yachtsmen used to plying the calm summer waters of the coast were sent far out into the Atlantic in winter, facing a greater threat from the weather than of combat. For three critical months, the United States did not sink a single U-boat operating off the United States or the Mediterranean. On March 1, 1942, a US Navy PBO Ventura sank U-656 off Newfoundland.

US Navy Admiral Ernest J. King, who obsessed about the war in the Pacific, did not recognize the importance of convoys until it was too late. A blackout of coastal cities was not ordered, allowing U-boats to use the city skylines to illuminate the outlines of ships. Residents of beachfront towns would watch the burning ships offshore at night and discover dead sailors washed up on the beach the next day.

http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/us_war.htm
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genoves
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jun, 2009 06:21 pm
The best post on this thread belonged to Finn D'Abuzz when he wrote:

Re: Yankee(Post 3681631)
It was a mistake to assume we could predict how Saddam would react based on what we believed to be rational behavior and it’s a mistake to assume the same as respects North Korea.

Still, if there is reason to believe that the ship is carrying materials deemed contraband by the UN then the USS John McCain should intercept it.

What happens then is guesswork. Obviously it would be suicidal for the North Korean ship to fire on an American destroyer (assuming it has any armaments), but I wouldn't be stunned if it did.

I don't think it will and there will be no forced boarding. There will also be no permission to board granted, nor acquiescence to sail to a port for formal inspection. Then the John McCain will shadow the NK vessel until it runs out of fuel and another standoff will take place.

I would guess that the US Navy has any more of an intention to forcibly tow the NK ship than it does to forcibly board it.

North Korea will likely send another ship to refuel the first, and yet another standoff will ensue.

All the while, North Korea will be making all sorts of bellicose threats, and likely move additional troops to the South Korean border.

Confrontations like these are not to be taken lightly, but do we have a choice?

Having allowed North Korea to develop nuclear weapons, are we now going to simply avert our eyes when it exports them or the components to build others?
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We do not have a choice.Chamberlain tried to give us a choice in 1938. He failed miserably. I do not think that North Korea's sponsor and massive neighbor, China, will allow North Korea to ruin their economy by causing a war!!!
Yankee
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 06:16 am
@genoves,
A crazy man can not be trusted.

Can you Trust the N. Korean leaders to react rationally?

I am afraid we are being drawn into a conflict by the actions of a crazed man.

Imagine yourself living in Hawaii and hearing the threat of attack by N. Korea.

What might your reaction be?
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Yankee
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jun, 2009 08:35 am
SEOUL, South Korea " North Korea threatened Wednesday to wipe the United States off the map as Washington and its allies watched for signs the regime will launch a series of missiles in the coming days.

Off China's coast, a U.S. destroyer was tailing a North Korean ship suspected of transporting illicit weapons to Myanmar in what could be the first test of U.N. sanctions passed to punish the nation for an underground nuclear test last month.

The Kang Nam left the North Korean port of Nampo a week ago with the USS John S. McCain close behind. The ship, accused of transporting banned goods in the past, is believed bound for Myanmar, according to South Korean and U.S. officials.

The new U.N. Security Council resolution requires member states to seek permission to inspect suspicious cargo. North Korea has said it would consider interception a declaration of war and on Wednesday accused the U.S. of seeking to provoke another Korean War.

"If the U.S. imperialists start another war, the army and people of Korea will ... wipe out the aggressors on the globe once and for all," the official Korean Central News Agency said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090624/ap_on_re_as/as_koreas_nuclear_91

Yet, sometimes you just have to sit back and laugh!
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genoves
 
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Reply Thu 25 Jun, 2009 12:32 am
We do not have a choice.Chamberlain tried to give us a choice in 1938. He failed miserably. I do not think that North Korea's sponsor and massive neighbor, China, will allow North Korea to ruin their economy by causing a war!!!

But the North Koreans have the world's most massive inferiority complex. That is why they are dangerous!
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