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Holocaust Museum killer a Chuck Darwin fan

 
 
Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 08:34 am
http://blog.beliefnet.com/kingdomofpriests/2009/06/james-von-brunn-evolutionist.html

Another news item about ideas having consequences....

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Now isn't this fascinating. James von Brunn, the white-supremacist suspect in today's Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting in which the guard who was shot has now tragically died, describes the relevance of evolution to his sick thinking. He's obsessed with "genetics." He writes in his manifesto (emphasis added):

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Approval of inter-racial breeding is predicated on idiotic Christian dogma that God's children must love their enemies (a concept JEWS totally reject); and on LIBERAL/MARXIST/JEW propaganda that all men/races are created equal. These genocidal ideologies, preached from the American pulpits, taught in American schools, legislated in the halls of Congress (confirming TALMUDIC conviction that goyim are stupid sheep), are expected to produce a single, superintelligent, beautiful, non-White "American" population. Eliminating forever racism, inequality, bigotry and war. As with ALL LIBERAL ideologies, miscegenation is totally inconsistent with Natural Law: the species are improved through in-breeding, natural selection and mutation. Only the strong survive. Cross-breeding Whites with species lower on the evolutionary scale diminishes the White gene-pool while increasing the number of physiologically, psychologically and behaviorally deprived mongrels. Throughout history improvident Whites have miscegenated. The "brotherhood" concept is not new (as LIBERALS pretend) nor are the results -- which are inevitably disastrous for the White Race -- evident today, for example, in the botched populations of Cuba, Mexico, Egypt, India, and the inner cities of contemporary America.



This wacko despises Christianity, too, though not quite as much as he does Judaism. Like Hitler in Mein Kampf, he draws lessons from his interpretation of Darwinism. He's very big on dangers to the Aryan "gene pool." The subtitle of his book promies: "A New Hard-Hitting Exposé Of The JEW CONSPIRACY To Destroy The White Gene-Pool."

Other thoughts in this pseudo-scientific vein:

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Our Founding Fathers were Aryans, men of good breeding who understood, empirically, the great differences existing between strains of horses; strains of live-stock; races of men; and between individuals: knowledge confirmed today by the natural sciences of Genetics, Eugenics, and Anthropology. Hitler, as American boobs are beginning to learn, was not all wrong.



Also this:

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[T]o the astonishment of the world, Chancellor Adolph Hitler, who emphasized genetics and the homogeneity of the Aryan race, led Germany to an amazing spiritual and economic recovery.



No, he doesn't cite Darwin by name in the part of his book that's readable online -- the first 6 of 12 chapters. But do you get the general drift? And you want to tell me that ideas don't have consequences?
 
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 09:08 am
@gungasnake,
Well, his thinking isnt a crime, his actions are the crime. Hes been shown to be one who twists his inputs and comes out with hate ,hate,hate.(Sorta like you and the Muslim world gunky)
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 09:29 am
@farmerman,
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Latest Right-Wing Meme: Von Brunn's A Lefty
By Zachary Roth - June 11, 2009, 4:19PM
It's hardly been 24 hours since James Von Brunn allegedly walked into the Holocaust Museum and shot museum guard Stephen Johns. But already conservatives from Rush Limbaugh to Red State have started advancing their latest up-is-down meme: Von Brunn -- a white supremacist consumed by hatred of Jews and blacks, who has called for President Obama to release his birth certificate -- isn't really a right-winger -- in fact, he's a lefty.

Let's count off the examples:

Yesterday, a guest from the "Ayn Rand Institute" argued to Fox News's Glenn Beck that because Von Brunn is a racist, he must of course be "a phenomenon of the left." In response, Beck accepted that logic, and wondered: "How did it happen that you look at people that are Nazis and you say that those are right wing? It doesn't make any sense whatsoever!"

Yes, it's totally baffling.

Not to be outdone, Rush Limbaugh too declared Von Brunn "has more in common with the marchers and protesters we see at left-wing rallies," according to video just aired on MSNBC.

But it's conservative bloggers that have really taken this idea and run with it, though. Yesterday, Eric Erickson of Red State tweeted:

holocaust shooter, like left wing bloggers hates Bush, Israel, the war, Christains, capitalism. the list goes on and on.
On his site, Erickson wrote:
It is the leftists like Kos's acolytes that perpetuate anti-Semitism under the guise of "if only we wouldn't defend Israel this wouldn't happen." Nazism, like Communism, and the neo-nazis disease that stems from the former, share the common foundation of socialism that these same leftists now agitate for.
...

Kos and the lunatic gunman today and the lunatic gunman who killed Pvt. Long share more in common that the rest of us -- their world view is centered on contempt for what this nation stands for and are consumed with an abiding hatred of George W. Bush and the "neocons."


And Michelle Malkin -- playing defense after blowing a gasket about that DHS report warning of right-wing extremist, only to see the report's predictions borne out over the last week -- declares, "Shooter wasn't "left" or "right," just plain loony," while linking approvingly to another writer who says no, he was a lefty.

Malkin also points to the fact that police found the address of the conservative Weekly Standard magazine in Von Brunn's car -- the implication somehow being, we suppose, that it's impossible to be a right-winger if you also hate magazines that advocate a neoconservative foreign policy.

And of course, as Josh noted earlier, Andy McCarthy of National Review wrote:

So what does that leave us with? A lunatic who killed an abortion doctor (and was vigorously condemned by conservatives for doing so), and an 88-year-old white supremacist of the Nazi bent (which somehow makes him a right-wing savage -- a paradox Jonah has written a book about) who killed a guard with a shotgun at the Holocaust Museum.
That is not a wave of domestic terrorism, much less right-wing extremism.


Right. Nothing to do with right-wing extremism. How silly of us.

Late Update: Reader JD points out that conservatives are indulging here in what's known as the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, advanced by the British philosopher Antony Flew, by redefining the meaning of a term in order to make a desired assertion about it true.

In Thinking About Thinking, Or: Do I Sincerely Want To Be Right?, Flew, an Englishman, wrote, a bit xenophobically:


Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with his Glasgow Morning Herald and seeing an article about how the "Brighton Sex Maniac Strikes Again." Hamish is shocked and declares that "No Scotsman would do such a thing." The next day he sits down to read his Glasgow Morning Herald again and this time finds an article about an Aberdeen man whose brutal actions make the Brighton sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that Hamish was wrong in his opinion but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says, "No true Scotsman would do such a thing."

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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 09:31 am
@gungasnake,
So gungasnake are going to give full credit to the "gentleman" faith in god and being a good Christian to the killer of Dr. Teller as Teller stood outside his church?

Do you wish to have a contest to see how many names I can come up with of “good Christians" who had been driven by their faith and hate to kill compare to non-believers in fairy tales that had kill in a similar manner?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 01:10 pm
@gungasnake,
Come to think about it gunasnake you and James von Brunn have one hell of a lot in common.

Both of you are into denying proven facts concerning the universe in order to meet an emotional need.

Mr. Brunn as part of his wish to be a hater of Jews is a holocaust denier and you in order to try to keep your fairy tale Christian base worldview alive are a evolution denier.

Same coin different faces.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 06:43 pm
@gungasnake,
Looks like this guy didn't understand evolution any better than you do. I guess if you're a murderous whacko it's hard to see anything very clearly (through the red haze of your own hatred).
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 07:48 pm
While the Left are not Holocaust Deniers, in my opinion, I think I see some Holocaust Trivializing in their rhetoric, since the Left being anti-Zionist, they may not see any need for a Jewish State, as a safe haven for Jews. This is not "denying," it is just "trivializing," in my opinion.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 08:07 pm
@Foofie,
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While the Left are not Holocaust Deniers, in my opinion, I think I see some Holocaust Trivializing in their rhetoric, since the Left being anti-Zionist, they may not see any need for a Jewish State, as a safe haven for Jews. This is not "denying," it is just "trivializing," in my opinion.


Holocaust denier, Holocaust trivializing....so what? You tell them that you know that they are wrong/cold/mean...whatever, and then you move on. I seriously doubt that the millions of Jews, mentally and physically handicapped, and others killed by the Nazis are in some place listening to idiot moderns and getting all offended, so I am not going to get sore over it either.
Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 08:27 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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While the Left are not Holocaust Deniers, in my opinion, I think I see some Holocaust Trivializing in their rhetoric, since the Left being anti-Zionist, they may not see any need for a Jewish State, as a safe haven for Jews. This is not "denying," it is just "trivializing," in my opinion.


Holocaust denier, Holocaust trivializing....so what? You tell them that you know that they are wrong/cold/mean...whatever, and then you move on. I seriously doubt that the millions of Jews, mentally and physically handicapped, and others killed by the Nazis are in some place listening to idiot moderns and getting all offended, so I am not going to get sore over it either.


I would not expect a nice Gentile like yourself to know, "so what?"
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 09:01 pm
@Foofie,
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I would not expect a nice Gentile like yourself to know, "so what?"

Kindly explain why having all of the cultural and political leaders acknowledging what happened, the history books being in the main correct, and the truth being taught in the schools....why all of this is not good enough for you?
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 14 Jun, 2009 11:28 pm
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WASHINGTON " The son of the man accused of killing a security guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum said Sunday that his father had long burdened his family with his white supremacist views and that he wishes his father would have died in the shooting instead.

James von Brunn, 88, has been charged with first-degree murder in the death of 39-year-old Stephen T. Johns, who was black.

"I cannot express enough how deeply sorry I am it was Mr. Johns, and not my father who lost (his) life," Erik von Brunn, 32, said in a statement to ABC News. "It was unjustified and unfair that he died, and while my condolences could never begin to offer appeasement, they, along with my remorse is all I have to give."

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20090615/US.Holocaust.Museum.Shooting.Son/

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1: a gnawing distress arising from a sense of guilt for past wrongs :

http://mw1.m-w.com/dictionary/remorse

So WTF is the son remorseful about? the only possible answer would be not stopping his dad or not getting his dad mental health. But then he says
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He said he never imagined that his father would take a life.

"I never had any inclination to think that. The man is 88 years old. I never would have thought he could do this," he said. "It really hasn't sunk in yet. It's a shock."


Maybe he feels better now that he has offered his false remorse, but all it is is self absorption. Pretty soon we will feel compeled to appologize for Eve biting into the apple I am sure, the way things are going.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 02:21 am
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye your word games are both silly and pointless when dealing with such a crime in my opinion and it does not spot light your intellect but only your lack of humanity.

There are still a few survivors of the holocaust around in fact I had met a few in my life that lost most of their families and had watched their brothers/sisters, son, mothers and fathers being kill in one manner or another.

I do not know about an after life but I would think it would be annoying to had fools walking around claiming that the holocaust never occur to those survivors.

For myself after hearing the story one woman told me of the total lost of her family and most of her friends during the holocaust I have the emotional reaction of feeling like apologizing for the rest of the human race to her.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 05:31 pm
@BillRM,
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For myself after hearing the story one woman told me of the total lost of her family and most of her friends during the holocaust I have the emotional reaction of feeling like apologizing for the rest of the human race to her.


hopefully you had the good sense not to. You are responsible for what you do, not for what other people do. Once you loss sight of that you are fucked.
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 07:04 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

For myself after hearing the story one woman told me of the total lost of her family and most of her friends during the holocaust I have the emotional reaction of feeling like apologizing for the rest of the human race to her.



Apology means nothing. Words can be empty of feeling. I would only feel ashamed for what humans can do to other humans, based on racist hatred. Or better still, could one have remorse? Shame and remorse. Notice how many nice Europeans never use these words to describe their feelings about the Holocaust.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 08:04 pm
@hawkeye10,
Sorry we are all of the same race and all have the ability under the right or wrong set of conditions to do what the Nazis did in fact do in the 30s and 40s.

On the other hand even the SS guards was not unfeeling monsters in that one of the reasons for setting up the gas chambers was far too many of the SS firing squad members could not take killing men, women and children and was turning their weapons on themselves.

To said that we are only responsible for our own direct actions and not for our group is nice and it did allow the good Germen to look the other way and get sleep when the murder factories was running 24/7 next door to them.

Every human had a connection to every other human on the planet however and a duty to them and when we fail in that duty feeling guilt is normal.

We as Americans had allow hate to grow and over come all reason for far too many of our population. You can see this on this very website.

So yes I do feel guilty for actions taken against an elderly little woman when she was a child and before I was born.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 15 Jun, 2009 08:19 pm
@BillRM,
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So yes I do feel guilty for actions taken against an elderly little woman when she was a child and before I was born.

the healthy thing for you to do would have been to use that connectedness to fuel your COMPASSION for that elderly little woman. You made a wrong turn.
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 09:49 am
@hawkeye10,
healthy thing for you to do would have been to use that connectedness to fuel your COMPASSION for that elderly little woman. You made a wrong turn.
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And what part of any of my postings would had stop me from feeling compassion for the lady? Same coin in fact.

Oh there was a news story in my area concerning an old dog at the end of his life span and his owner instead of going to the animal shelter and being with his dog at the end shovel him out of the car and burn rubber leaving him behind.

The poor old dog ran a few blocks after the car before collapsing and being taken into the shelter by the workers.

Now having to end of the life of a number of pets over the years both dogs and cats I had always consider it a duty and an honor to be with them at that moment giving them respect and love by so doing. The very last thing they feel was my hands on them and my voice telling them how must they are loved.

On hearing the story I feel both shame that any human could act in this uncaring of a manner and also compassion for that dog who ran after his human car.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 05:07 pm
@BillRM,
You are clearly in need Bill:
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God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference. Amen


You are going to kill yourself stressing about stuff that you did not cause and that you can not fix. It is much better to stay focused on pursuits that at least have the possibility of being productive.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 16 Jun, 2009 08:42 pm
@gungasnake,
Oh there is a news story at the CNN website that the nuts cases are now out in full force claiming it was a false flag operation and it was in fact Jewish agents who set the poor "gentleman" and in fact shot and kill the security guard.
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jun, 2009 06:53 pm
@BillRM,
whats a "false flag" opertaion. Ive only heard that here on A2K.
 

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