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DEGENERATING STANDARDS OF ENTERTAINMENT

 
 
Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 02:43 pm

When I was around 4 or 5, I was younger.

I remember seeing seeing actors in the movies portraying cowboys
engaging in hostile gunfire among themselves, while on horseback,
which (ostensibly) resulted in their sustaining casualties, being blasted
off of their respective horses and hitting the ground. At that age,
I was somewhat aversive to these representations of death.
I mentioned this to my mother, who was credible in her denials
that thay were going to slaughter the actors just to make interesting
movies, but tho I knew that these were just acrobats trained to leap
off horses, I still found this somewhat disturbing until about age 7.

Fast forward to around 3 nights ago.
I saw a movie called Pterodactyl, mostly for its special effects,
which were fairly effective. Among the scenes was one wherein
a lad was being eaten alive over several hours in a nest of baby
Pterodactyls, who were visibly munching on his guts, rather to
his dissatisfaction. The special effects were fairly realistic in
simulating the consumption of the fellow's entrails, while he lived.

I wondered whether there were people of any age,
including kids, who were being grossed out by seeing
simulation of someone being eaten alive. There was
another show, rather similar in principle, back during
Star Trek the Next Generation: an alien had the nerve
to invade the body of some worthy member of Star Fleet.
The 2 heros aimed their fasers at the offender and blasted,
which resulted in his body being disassembled layer by layer.
Reflecting back upon my former distaste for this,
I wondered whether any kids were adversely affected
in their emotions by such displays.

In the early years of television, very demanding standards
of decency were imposed upon the actors, et al.
Those days seem to have vanished.

ANY OBJECTIONS ?

Do those of u with children discern any threat
to the emotional comfort of your children ?

WHATAYATHINK ?
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 02:59 pm
I don't watch those kind of scenes. If I can't conveniently avoid it, I close my eyes until it's over. I have been known to sleep through entire movies to avoid watching them, when sitting with a person that obviously likes that stuff.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 03:04 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Conversely, I was always bummed as a kid when someone got shot and there was no blood. Did the guy miss?
No, the entire shooting was done in an erzats fashion that was easily seen through. I guess Peckenpah changed things. Nowadays, for me, I wish we had more movies with discernable plots and character development. These future classics are few and far between.
boomerang
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 03:19 pm
Mo was pretty freaked out by "Jaws" which, we all know, is a 25 year old movie that features a shark eating people alive.

I had to go out and buy the "Jaws" DVD for the bonus feature about the making of "Jaws" so that I could show him it was just a big shark puppet that didn't even work very well.

So, yes, I do worry about his emotional comfort but I'm pretty flexible about what I let him watch.

"Jurassic Park", which we all know, is a 20 year old moive that features dinosaurs eating people alive didn't bother him one bit.

I don't think these "uncomfortable" movies are anything new but I haven't seen any of the newer horror type films but I imagine the special effects are a lot better and therefore more graphic nowdays.
Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 03:42 pm
It's been proven that violent video games lead to children (mostly male) acting violently. I assume some movies and television shows would have the same effect. I know one of my earliest fear memories happened after a baby-sitter didn't show up and my parents took my brother and I to see "Plant of the Apes" (the original). For years I was haunted by the image of crucified apes that marked where the "forbidden zone" began. I watched the movie again as an adult and was amazed at how quickly that image came and went in the movie, yet had stayed in my nightmares for most of my childhood.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 03:55 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Conversely, I was always bummed as a kid when someone got shot and there was no blood. Did the guy miss?
No, the entire shooting was done in an erzats fashion that was easily seen through. I guess Peckenpah changed things.
Nowadays, for me, I wish we had more movies with discernable plots and character development.
These future classics are few and far between.

Yeah.
U 'd have liked Saving Private Ryan.
Did u c that one? I saw it in the theater.
Gory in the extreme.
We knew for a FACT that this was not the real war footage,
but it looked very authentic, with artillery blowing lots of guys'
appendages off, right in front of u. I bought that one on 2 VHS tapes,
but I 've never opened the box.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 03:56 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I don't watch those kind of scenes. If I can't conveniently avoid it, I close my eyes until it's over.
I have been known to sleep through entire movies to avoid watching them,
when sitting with a person that obviously likes that stuff.

Good strategy
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 03:58 pm
Quote:
It's been proven that violent video games lead to children (mostly male) acting violently.


I don't believe this is true in any scientific meaning of the word "proven"... The studies I have seen on this were pretty shoddy, and there are studies with contradictory results.

ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 04:03 pm
Mija (who is four) has two teen aged brothers-- which means she sometimes watches things that I wish she weren't exposed to.

Funny thing... her favorite show (one of the few shows she actually asks to watch rather than just wanting to turn on the TV) is the animated Star Wars- clone wars. The first time I saw her watching it, I asked her to turn it off.

She was quite upset that she couldn't keep watching-- so I asked her questions to see what she got from the show. It surprised me how much she had absorbed the plot-- she could not only name and give brief details on the main characters, she could tell me what the protagonists were trying to do, and how the villain was trying to stop them.

So I watched it with her and discussed each scene.

I figure that if she enjoys it that much, it can't be harming her.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 04:06 pm
@Green Witch,
Green Witch wrote:

It's been proven that violent video games lead to children (mostly male) acting violently.


Um, I'm not so sure about this.

Cycloptichorn
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 04:07 pm
@ebrown p,
Well. we all have to make up our own minds. I just remember my own brothers imitating Three Stooges antics by smacking each other around and now my girlfriends complain if their sons play violent videos (not just action things like fast cars) they tend to imitate the behavior. I also seem to recall the boys of Columbine practicing their killing techniques with the use of violent video games. How can these things not give kids ideas? Aren't you the one convinced playing with Barbies are going make girls into materialistic door mats? Why aren't boys effected in a similar way by their interactions with video toys or violent images?
ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 04:20 pm
@Green Witch,
First, boys have been "imitating" the Three Stooges antics long before the Three Stooges came around. There is nothing wrong with that.

Second, the fact that the Columbine killers used violent video games doesn't prove anything about the cause of their violence.

Third. I don't believe I have ever claimed that playing with Barbies would "make girls" into anything. I hate what Barbie stands for, and my daughter understands that any Barbie that is brought into the house will have her limbs ripped from her mangled torso, heaped into a pile and then ritualistically set on fire.

But this doesn't mean I think playing with Barbie will necessarily have any lasting psychological effects.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 04:21 pm
@Green Witch,
it's now believed that eric harris was clinical psychopath with a messianic level superiority complex

dylan klebold was a depressive with low self esteem

the games would have been just a blip in the problems these guys had




Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 04:23 pm
@djjd62,
I don't believe Columbine happened because of violent videos. However, I do think they were part of the weaponry.
djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 04:28 pm
@Green Witch,
doom is one of the most popular video game series ever released, millions of people played it, as i said, given their psychological makeup, i think it was a small part of the problem

i've always felt that games like doom and grand theft auto have prevented more people from climbing on to clock towers than inspired them to, i know i feel better sometimes after blasting zombies or running over people
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 04:29 pm
@Green Witch,
Quote:
I don't believe Columbine happened because of violent videos. However, I do think they were part of the weaponry.


I thought they used guns and pipe-bombs.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 04:31 pm
@boomerang,
boomerang wrote:
Quote:
Mo was pretty freaked out by "Jaws" which, we all know,
is a 25 year old movie that features a shark eating people alive.

I had to go out and buy the "Jaws" DVD for the bonus feature about the making of "Jaws"
so that I could show him it was just a big shark puppet
that didn't even work very well.

Maybe he was younger then.


Quote:

So, yes, I do worry about his emotional comfort but I'm pretty flexible about what I let him watch.

Do u censor his entertainment?
When I was around his age,
my mother was very concerned that horror movies (Frankenstein)
woud make me nervous and she tried to dissuade me from seeing them.
I assured her that I was OK with them.


Quote:

"Jurassic Park", which we all know, is a 20 year old moive that features dinosaurs
eating people alive didn't bother him one bit.

Maybe he was older then.
(That movie was obscene, because it showed a T Rex eat an attorney.)




Quote:

I don't think these "uncomfortable" movies are anything new but I
haven't seen any of the newer horror type films but I imagine
the special effects are a lot better and therefore more graphic nowdays.

That 's a good way to put it.
Did u c the Pterodactyl movie on Time Warner Cable a few nites ago ?
One of them came down from the sky and sliced a fellow
horizontally, taking his torso, so that his legs n hips remained
standing and gurgling for a while, for dramatic effect.

Some people, especially kids, are phobic of death and cadavers,
e.g., during a conversation wherein a woman was giving me
the family dog, her ten year old son told me of his fear
of going to see the possible dead body of the dog 's brother.

I lost my grandmother to a heart attack, when I was 6.
As police were removing the body, I shouted to them
" don 't bring it in here."


In my case, it wore off with age,
but this is not always true.
Years ago, it was socially necessary for my law partner and I
to attend a funeral concerning one of our corporate clients.
He coud not be persuaded to approach the casket of the "guest of honor" as he put it.

On the other hand,
at a Mensa Regional Gathering, a boy told of how
when he was 11, his estranged father died in front of him
on the kitchen floor. I thought that he might have been
shocked and disturbed, but he said that it did not bother him at all.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 04:33 pm
David wrote:

(That movie was obscene, because it showed a T Rex eat an attorney.)


And this is obscene... why?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 04:34 pm
@Green Witch,
Green Witch wrote:

I don't believe Columbine happened because of violent videos. However, I do think they were part of the weaponry.


I am going to have to disagree with you on this one strongly. It is entirely akin to blaming rock music or Dungeons and Dragons for deviant behaviors.

Cycloptichorn
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2009 07:03 pm
I tend to watch the old movies (i.e., Cary Grant and Irene Dunne). Characters then had panache, in my opinion. The period before the "WWII movies" depicted a quality and civility of life that we will never see; maybe no one will ever see (again).
 

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