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The First Guys on Mars: Big Sacrifice

 
 
Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 01:24 pm

Mars is a desolate place of bleak desert (a great big one)
temperature extremes and too many big dust storms.
The first Americans on Mars will have to put up with
a lot of boredom. Other than staving off death
and running geological (Marsological?) experiments,
what else is there to do during your time off?
Thay better bring some good books.
There r no decent restaurants up there; no theaters.
We 've scanned the whole planet and did not see any.

To put up with that, u have to be a real self-sacrificing hero.
There IS a lot of free real estate, but its kind of out of the way.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 01:27 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:


Mars is a desolate place of bleak desert (a great big one)
temperature extremes and too many big dust storms.
The first Americans on Mars will have to put up with
a lot of boredom. Other than staving off death
and running geological (Marsological?) experiments,
what else is there to do during your time off?
Thay better bring some good books.
There r no decent restaurants up there; no theaters.

To put up with that, u have to be a real self-sacrificing hero.
There IS a lot of free real estate, but its kind of out of the way.


Start here -

http://origin.aintitcool.com/images2007/redmars.jpg

Somehow, I doubt I would be too bored, being one of the first people on Mars.

Cycloptichorn
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 01:28 pm
I would give up anything to be on the first expedition. It would be so interesting and thrilling on that planet, in the time frame afforded, that only a dead head could get bored.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 01:31 pm
The study of the physical structure of the planet Mars is called areology.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 01:31 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I would give up anything to be on the first expedition.
It would be so interesting and thrilling on that planet

It woud be,
for the first 2 days.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 01:34 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

OmSigDAVID wrote:


Mars is a desolate place of bleak desert (a great big one)
temperature extremes and too many big dust storms.
The first Americans on Mars will have to put up with
a lot of boredom. Other than staving off death
and running geological (Marsological?) experiments,
what else is there to do during your time off?
Thay better bring some good books.
There r no decent restaurants up there; no theaters.

To put up with that, u have to be a real self-sacrificing hero.
There IS a lot of free real estate, but its kind of out of the way.


Start here -

http://origin.aintitcool.com/images2007/redmars.jpg

Somehow, I doubt I would be too bored, being one of the first people on Mars.

Cycloptichorn

U coud bring that book along,
and Ray Bradbury 's book.
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 01:36 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
i'm mazed by this planet every time i walk around my garden and property, and i've been here over 46 years, i think i'd take a long time to get bored on mars

lots of audio books, ipod videos, maybe check out some local radio stations

and endless miles of no people at all, sounds like heaven
Sglass
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 01:38 pm
I believe someone is ou there watching me.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 01:39 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:

U coud bring that book along,
and Ray Bradbury 's book.


Actually, I recommend you read it and the two sequels. It directly deals with the exact topic you are discussing.

Cycloptichorn
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 01:42 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
it's funny, i don't really like fantasy (ie sword and sorcery), but at the same time, i don't like a lot of science in my science fiction

i'd go with bradbury
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 01:43 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

it's funny, i don't really like fantasy (ie sword and sorcery), but at the same time, i don't like a lot of science in my science fiction

i'd go with bradbury


Yeah, these books are the wrong way to go if you're not interested in actual science!

You might enjoy Niven's Rainbow Mars.

Cycloptichorn
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 01:43 pm
The real problem that Mars would present is what would happen if we colonized it. With less than 40% of our gravity, there is a strong possibility that any children born on the planet would not develop the same heavy bone structure we have to deal with the gravity of this planet. It is entirely possible that over time, with a Martian colony, the people being born there would diverge from terrestrial humans to the point of being a new species. Any natives of Mars who came to the earth would be nearly immobilized by what would be to them crushing gravity, more than 250% of what they were born and raised in.

Of course, there is also the problem of them not being shielded from cosmic radiation, so their entire lives would probably be spent underground.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 01:45 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

The real problem that Mars would present is what would happen if we colonized it. With less than 40% of our gravity, there is a strong possibility that any children born on the planet would not develop the same heavy bone structure we have to deal with the gravity of this planet. It is entirely possible that over time, with a Martian colony, the people being born there would diverge from terrestrial humans to the point of being a new species. Any natives of Mars who came to the earth would be nearly immobilized by what would be to them crushing gravity, more than 250% of what they were born and raised in.

Of course, there is also the problem of them not being shielded from cosmic radiation, so their entire lives would probably be spent underground.


That's fixable over time, with the proper areoforming. In the short run however, underground looks likely.

As for the bone density issue, probably correct; but why bother going to Earth, when there is a giant solar system out there to play around in?

Cyclptichorn
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djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 01:49 pm
@Setanta,
you just reminded me, i'd also bring stranger in a strange land
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 02:06 pm
@djjd62,
Heinlein sucks.
djjd62
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 02:11 pm
@Setanta,
quite enjoyed this book

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f3/Jobcomedy.jpg

also liked stranger and some of his early books, most are characterized as juvenile, stuff like farmer in the sky and the rolling stones
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 02:21 pm
He's a good story-teller, there's no doubt about that, but he bogs down his own books with long, turgid preaching, and he's racist, sexist and elitist.

Apart from that, i'm sure he was a real nice guy.
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engineer
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 02:28 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Yes, Red Mars is excellent. I second the recommendation.

The first visitor to Mars will have to travel for several months in a high radiation environment, deal with significant lack of gravity issues, land on a very barren planet, get back into orbit and make it back home in the same high radiation conditions, then get back to the ground on Earth. Good luck with that.
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 02:34 pm
@engineer,
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The first visitor to Mars will have to travel for several months in a high radiation environment, deal with significant lack of gravity issues, land on a very barren planet, get back into orbit and make it back home in the same high radiation conditions, then get back to the ground on Earth. Good luck with that.


That fact alone is one reason i am doubtful that we will see interstellar colonization at any time sooner than the very distant future. It is also one of the primary reasons that i find the so-called Fermi paradox to be rather naive.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 29 May, 2009 03:06 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Quote:
The first visitor to Mars will have to travel for several months in a high radiation environment, deal with significant lack of gravity issues, land on a very barren planet, get back into orbit and make it back home in the same high radiation conditions, then get back to the ground on Earth. Good luck with that.


That fact alone is one reason i am doubtful that we will see interstellar colonization at any time sooner than the very distant future. It is also one of the primary reasons that i find the so-called Fermi paradox to be rather naive.


Um, what makes you think that we have to bring people back from Mars?

It's like the New World - a one-way trip for the first colonists. Make it or break it.

With the exception of bone density (needs more study), the other problems are all solvable using modern engineering and scientific techniques. This makes me very optimistic towards our chances of success should we try.

Cycloptichorn
 

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