Obama Administration Soft On Terror !!

I thought about bringing that up, too, but i wanted to take it slowly, to give McWhitey a chance to soak up these ideas in his own slow, and not always sure, manner.

Sure. I've already said good job to the FBI in a previous post. The same to the NYPD.

I suppose my writing "I did not say that Obama has any less interest in preventing terrorist attacks." in a previous response was not enough for you to see that I wasn't missing it, eh?

i don't see any difference. you infer that his policies weaken the ability to head off another attack.

you know there's more than one way to skin a cat, right?

GREAT. May be the rest of the Obamanics will realize the safety and security starts at the local level. Regardless of what the Fed's do

minus the usual obamaniacs quip, i'd actually agree with you.

Isn't Obama basically saying Mission Accomplished ??

no.

Sure it is.

Obama says the words and the war on terror is over.

quite the literal lehman, aren't you?

That you don't see a difference is quite telling.

Believing that Obama's policies will render us more vulnerable to terrorists is, in no way, an implied judgment that Obama doesn't care. Even if he couldn't care one whit about our safety, he cares about our votes. So no matter how you look at it, an argument that he doesn't care is ridiculous.

Of course, McG didn't make that argument, and, frankly, who cares whether or not the President "cares" as long as his policies work.

Bush and Obama can have an identical level of concern over the safety of America but it doesn't mean that their policies will be equally effective in protecting our country.

It doesn't matter how much Obama cares, it matters how good a job he does.
If there is another 9/11 on his watch, he's political toast. If it can be traced to any of his "high minded" policies, he will be historical toast.

Mcgentrix wrote:

The 4 had been under investigation for a year. Obamastration had zero to do with this beyond not stopping the investigation.
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Will this cause a backlash among the American people?

The 4 morons were alleged to be Muslims. What will the public think?


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Four New York men were arrested Wednesday in connection with an alleged plot to blow up area Jewish centers and military targets. The plot, however, was foiled by undercover agents.

Raids by the FBI-NYPD Joint Terrorist Task Force in the Bronx captured the suspected ringleader and three followers in what law enforcement sources are calling a homegrown terrorist plot.


Four men have been arrested for allegedly trying to blow up a synagogue in Riverdale, N.Y.
4 NYC Bomb Plot Suspects Arrested
The FBI and NYPD arrested four men Wednesday evening in an alleged plot to detonate bombs outside New York City Jewish temples.

"The NYPD did exactly what they're trained to do and have prevented what could have been a terrible event in our city," Mayor Michael Bloomberg said this morning.

Agents and police watched Wednesday night as the suspects allegedly planted what they thought were bombs outside two Jewish community centers in Riverdale, a Bronx, New York neighborhood. In one case the suspected terrorists planted a bomb inside a parked car. However, officials said the suspects were actually using fake explosives given to them in an earlier sting operation to make sure they didn't get their hands on real bombs.

"The bombs had been made by the FBI technicians, they were totally inert, no one was ever at risk," Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said.

The four suspects were identified as James Cromitie, David Williams, Onta Williams and Laguerre Payen, of Newburgh in upstate New York, where authorities were conducting raids at their homes, sources said.

Authorities said they had the plotters under surveillance since June of 2008 and there was "no chance" the alleged scheme could succeed. They credited the work of a long time informant with keeping tabs on the group.

The FBI said the Muslim suspects were angry and full of hate for America.

"Hatred of the West. The leader of the group, James Cromitie was concerned about deaths at the hands of the U.S. military in Afghanistan," and also expressed anti-Jewish sentiment, Joseph Demarest the head of the New York FBI said.



According to the criminal complaint, Cromitie said "I hate those f-ing Jewish bastards." He bragged that it would be a "piece of cake" to bomb a Jewish Center in Riverdale, according to the complaint.

He said his father lives in Afghanistan and he was upset about U.S. military presence there.

"The fact that this type of hatred exists means that we all have to be vigilant all of the time," city councilman Jeffrey Dinowitz said Thursday.

Cromitie was the first to approach the informant, authorities said. He told the informant he has ties to the terrorist group Jaish-e-Mohammad. Authorities said Cromitie had 27 past arrests and had recently been working at a nation-wide discount retailer, authorities said.

Several of the suspects have previously been arrested on drug charges and may have converted to Islam in prison, authorities said.

The four men allegedly would meet in a safe house in Newburgh, which authorities said they had bugged with audio and video equipment.

The suspects said they wanted to get their hands on stinger missiles to shoot down planes at the nearby Air National Guard Base at Stewart Airport, according to a criminal complaint unsealed late Wednesday. The suspects also received what they believed were two stinger missiles which they intended to use to shoot down military planes, the complaint said. They also bought cell phones to allegedly use in the plot.

Officials said they moved in now so the alleged plot could not progress any further.

The four men are in custody and are expected to be arraigned Thursday in a White Plains, New York federal court on terrorism-related counts.

"It shows you can't let your guard down," Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) said. "They did intend to use car bombs by remote control but the bombs the informant sold them were duds."

“I have spoken to both the New York office of the FBI and Commissioner Kelly and I want to commend them both on an outstanding job. They have told me they have been monitoring this group for some time and that the men arrested did not have any connection to other terrorists," Schumer added.

Since the 9/11 attacks, authorities have arrested suspects in a number of alleged plots against area targets, including the Fort Dix New Jersey military base, John F. Kennedy Airport, the Herald Square subway station in Manhattan and the Brooklyn Bridge.

Last December, a New Jersey jury convicted five foreign-born men, living and working in the area for years, of conspiring to kill U.S. soldiers at Ft. Dix. Three were brothers from Yugoslavia; the others were born in Jordan and Turkey. The FBI arrested them after 15 months of surveillance after they tried to buy AK-47s and M-16s. The men had claimed they were set up by an unscrupulous informant.

In June 2007, four alleged Muslim extremists -- a 63-year-old former JFK airport cargo employee living in Brooklyn and three others from Guyana and Trinidad and Tobago -- were charged with plotting to blow up fuel lines and gas tanks at the busy Queens airport. All four have pleaded not guilty.

Two men were convicted of plotting to bomb the Herald Square station including a Pakistani immigrant Shahawar Matin Siraj. He is serving 30 years in federal prison for conspiring to blow up the subway station on the eve of the 2004 Republican National Convention in nearby Madison Square Garden
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Terrorists? Says Obama. Terrorists?

As Finn D' Abuzz said--If Americans are killed on Obuma's watch, he is toast!

Since Setanta is senile, he does not remember the incidents listed below:
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Since the 9/11 attacks, authorities have arrested suspects in a number of alleged plots against area targets, including the Fort Dix New Jersey military base, John F. Kennedy Airport, the Herald Square subway station in Manhattan and the Brooklyn Bridge.

Last December, a New Jersey jury convicted five foreign-born men, living and working in the area for years, of conspiring to kill U.S. soldiers at Ft. Dix. Three were brothers from Yugoslavia; the others were born in Jordan and Turkey. The FBI arrested them after 15 months of surveillance after they tried to buy AK-47s and M-16s. The men had claimed they were set up by an unscrupulous informant.

In June 2007, four alleged Muslim extremists -- a 63-year-old former JFK airport cargo employee living in Brooklyn and three others from Guyana and Trinidad and Tobago -- were charged with plotting to blow up fuel lines and gas tanks at the busy Queens airport. All four have pleaded not guilty.

Two men were convicted of plotting to bomb the Herald Square station including a Pakistani immigrant Shahawar Matin Siraj. He is serving 30 years in federal prison for conspiring to blow up the subway station on the eve of the 2004 Republican National Convention in nearby Madison Square Garden.

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Of course, Obama talks about empathy. Empathy--That's a good word. People are apt to empathize with other people they feel close to and allied with.

Obama's father from Kenya was a Muslim.

Obama was adopted by his mother's second husband and taken to Indonesia as a young child. That stepfather was a muslim.

Obama visited his kinfolk in Kenya several times in the past five years. All of them are Muslims.

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Yes, empathy is a good word. Obama loves to use it.

And then there is the argument that the fact that there have been no additional attacks on US soil since 9/11 is in now way proof that the Bush administration policies for combating terror were effective.

There must be some reason or reasons though.

1) Al Qaeda saw the errors of their ways and gave up, opting instead for pressing their case in the NY Times Op Ed pages
2) Al Qaeda was too preoccupied with military operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan to mount an attack on the US - Of course this would be a direct result of the Bush administration policy of taking the fight to the terrorists
3) Al Qaeda has always been nothing more than a rag tag group of nuts who simply got lucky on 9/11. The chances of them ever duplicating such a perfect storm of coincidental events is virtually nil - Of course, even Obama doesn't believe this.
4) 7 years isn't very long by the standards of Muslim fanatics. They're like locusts. They lay low for years and then they surge forth. Bush was just lucky that they were in a dormant period during his presidency.

It's interesting that many of the same supporters of this argument believe that not only did Bush policies have no effect on keeping us free of further attacks, they actually made such attacks more likely: Enhanced Interrogation Methods have been an effective recruiting tool for Al Qaeda, Abu Graeve and Gitmo have been effective recruitment tools for Al Qaeda, American troops in Iraq, and Afghanistan have been effective recruitment tools for Al Qaeda, and heavy handed American foreign policy has driven our allies away from cooperation on intelligence matters.

This is quite a case of wanting to have it both ways.

Just you wait and see: If and when the next 9/11 is launched, these folks will be arguing that it wasn't as a result of any failed Obama policies, but rather the negative effect of Bush policies finally catching up to us.

And the ultimate surrender to terrorism was made by Barack Hussein Obama in Cairo. Obama was so eager to separate himself from GW Bush that he was a perfect stand in for Neville Chamberlain, who, became the prototype for the appeaser who will abase himself in any way necessary in order to report to the populace--I have brought you peace in our time.

But, it is amazing that Obama thinks that such abasement on his part will lead to peace. Most people realize that we are not fighting any countries. Many understand that Islam is basically a religion of peace. But, we are not fighting a country or countries. We are fighting a collection of fanatic fringe Muslims.
These people do not operate from an Embassy. They are not from a specific state or area. They are fanatics who believe that the US is the great Satan.

Obama either does not remember or wishes to forget that the nineteen terrorists who flew the planes into the World Trade Center. All of them were from Saudi-Arabia but they were not authorized by their government--they were TERRORISTS operating according to religious principles.

The terrorists in the area between Pakistan and Afghanistan come from many different countries---that is similar to the past groupings in Iraq.

Obama thinks he is dealing with rational people. He apparently does not know that suicide bombers do not carry diplomatic pouches.

wrong as usual.

the ultimate surrender to terrorism is made by you. you are the one that prefers living in terror.

Bin Laden has made you his bitch.

And the ultimate surrender to terrorism was made by Barack Hussein Obama in Cairo. Obama was so eager to separate himself from GW Bush that he was a perfect stand in for Neville Chamberlain, who, became the prototype for the appeaser who will abase himself in any way necessary in order to report to the populace--I have brought you peace in our time.

But, it is amazing that Obama thinks that such abasement on his part will lead to peace. Most people realize that we are not fighting any countries. Many understand that Islam is basically a religion of peace. But, we are not fighting a country or countries. We are fighting a collection of fanatic fringe Muslims.
These people do not operate from an Embassy. They are not from a specific state or area. They are fanatics who believe that the US is the great Satan.

Obama either does not remember or wishes to forget that the nineteen terrorists who flew the planes into the World Trade Center. All of them were from Saudi-Arabia but they were not authorized by their government--they were TERRORISTS operating according to religious principles.

The terrorists in the area between Pakistan and Afghanistan come from many different countries---that is similar to the past groupings in Iraq.

Obama thinks he is dealing with rational people. He apparently does not know that suicide bombers do not carry diplomatic pouches.

Finn D' Abuzz wrote:

And then there is the argument that the fact that there have been no additional attacks on US soil since 9/11 is in now way proof that the Bush administration policies for combating terror were effective.

There must be some reason or reasons though.

1) Al Qaeda saw the errors of their ways and gave up, opting instead for pressing their case in the NY Times Op Ed pages
2) Al Qaeda was too preoccupied with military operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan to mount an attack on the US - Of course this would be a direct result of the Bush administration policy of taking the fight to the terrorists
3) Al Qaeda has always been nothing more than a rag tag group of nuts who simply got lucky on 9/11. The chances of them ever duplicating such a perfect storm of coincidental events is virtually nil - Of course, even Obama doesn't believe this.
4) 7 years isn't very long by the standards of Muslim fanatics. They're like locusts. They lay low for years and then they surge forth. Bush was just lucky that they were in a dormant period during his presidency.

It's interesting that many of the same supporters of this argument believe that not only did Bush policies have no effect on keeping us free of further attacks, they actually made such attacks more likely: Enhanced Interrogation Methods have been an effective recruiting tool for Al Qaeda, Abu Graeve and Gitmo have been effective recruitment tools for Al Qaeda, American troops in Iraq, and Afghanistan have been effective recruitment tools for Al Qaeda, and heavy handed American foreign policy has driven our allies away from cooperation on intelligence matters.

This is quite a case of wanting to have it both ways.

Just you wait and see: If and when the next 9/11 is launched, these folks will be arguing that it wasn't as a result of any failed Obama policies, but rather the negative effect of Bush policies finally catching up to us.

the ultimate surrender to terrorism is made by genoves. he prefers living in terror.

Bin Laden has made him his bitch.

The Obama administration is living in a fantasy land, they will not acknowledge that terror, terrorists and the global war on terror exist.

Pretending these issues do not exist does not make them go away.

PrezBO and his administration are a clear and present danger to this country and her allies.