STINGS ARE ENTRAPMENT

a great example of the "begging the question" logical fallacy

the same conclusion that some of us here have, which is that those who are sexually active in ways that the majority do not approve of

Now, given that you can't argue otherwise your next move is to try to discredit my expert. Give it your best shot.

And nice try on deflecting the conversation from sex with children to prostitution

UM, experts in defense against prostitution charges. If one is an expert in defense of these charges then they are also an expert in the use of these charges.

Being convicted of prostitution does not a legal expert make.

In 1984, Norma Jean was named the Executive Director of the Los Angeles division of C.O.Y.O.T.E. (Call Off Your Old Tired Ethics), a prostitute's rights organization. In 1986, she received the endorsement of the Libertarian Party for her bid for Lt. Governor of California and, although she didn't win, she made an impressive showing of over 100,000 votes. In 1987, she was given an award by "Outstanding Young Women in America" in recognition of her political activities on behalf of women. In 1993, Cop To Call Girl was published by Simon & Schuster and in 1994, Avon published the paperback version. In 1995, Norma Jean was an official NGO (Non-Government Organization) delegate to the UN Fourth World Women's Conference in Beijing, China. She co- chaired and organized The 1997 International Conference on Prostitution (ICOP) with California State University, Northridge and was a delegate to the 1998 World AIDS Conference in Geneva in June.

Norma Jean Almodovar continues to lecture on the college circuit while she performs her day-to-day duties as President and Chair of The Board of ISWFACE (International Sex Worker Foundation for Art, Culture and Education)

Several "stings" have been undertaken recently to entrap people who visit various porn sites
and make contacts with people posing as young girls who are
seeking sex with men. Weve had several prominent professionals in the Central Pa area
get caught in these stings and are being charged with various crimes including assignation with a minor.
In all cases, the "minor" has been some State Cop whose been
acting as an internet contact and role playing to entrap the males.

The more I read about several of these, the more Im questioning the legality and Constitutionality
of this kind of operation . Id call it entrapment and should be tossed out,
unfortunately, so far, the entrapped have been having their lives
destroyed and have been found guilty by courts eager
to prosecute for "lusting in the mind".

Consider those converstaions with the "teenager" openly turning to sex and the teen asking for advice as to how to perform the first time. Then the "teenager" begins to bait the adult (who, until this point was not entertaining any ideas re. sex with this teenage girl) As i turns out the teenage girl is actually some 40 year old cop who is using a phishing technique to entrap the adult.
IS the adult stupid and skeevy for even continuing? sure, but thats not the point . It appears to me that the "teenager" has incited the situation and the sting operation , overall, has employed ethically questionable methods.

Consider those converstaions with the "teenager" openly turning to sex and the teen asking for advice as to how to perform the first time. Then the "teenager" begins to bait the adult (who, until this point was not entertaining any ideas re. sex with this teenage girl) As i turns out the teenage girl is actually some 40 year old cop who is using a phishing technique to entrap the adult.
IS the adult stupid and skeevy for even continuing? sure, but thats not the point . It appears to me that the "teenager" has incited the situation and the sting operation , overall, has employed ethically questionable methods.

NOW, ask me whether there should be stings to catch and entrap terrorists in a preemptive " Homeland defense" program.

farmerman wrote:

NOW, ask me whether there should be stings to catch and entrap
terrorists in a preemptive " Homeland defense" program.

Yes, there should.

Good analogy. However, thats the very basis of most stings, they entrap you to do something illegal when the very tangeable foundation of that illegal act usually doesnt exist.
The law would argue that they were merely allowing you to proceed with the planning and execution of an illegal act and they were merely there to facilitate the activity and to prove that you, the actor would have gone on with a "real" crime ,were one available.
We seem to be in some sort of majority here, as I see it there are but a few here who are comfortable with the concept of stings. NOW, ask me whether there should be stings to catch and entrap terrorists in a preemptive " Homeland defense" program.

In early September, Nozette was contacted by phone by an individual purporting to be an Israeli intelligence officer, but who really was an FBI undercover agent, the document says.

They met in downtown Washington in front of a hotel, and over lunch, Nozette "demonstrated his willingness to work for Israeli intelligence," it says.

The undercover agent engaged in a series of meetings with Nozette, and eventually Nozette allegedly provided "secret" information in a "dead drop" post office box. Some of the information, the affidavit says, was classified as secret.

Nozette will make an initial appearance at 1:45 p.m. Tuesday before a federal magistrate judge in Washington. If he is convicted, he could face up to a life sentence, officials said