Ruin Your Health With the Obama Stimulus Plan: Betsy McCaughey

Yes, it is.

I am amazed that you were able to see that it is.

Maybe there is hope for you!

Yep, I think the Government should dictate treatment for it's citizens.

Especially citizens like you who really do not care what they do.

I'm not sure I'd go that far...but I respect your right to want it that way.

Yeah.... sounds like a weird concept....

Never underestimate self interest as a motive. Healthcare is like every other area of life, unlimited wants and limited means. How do we as a society decide who's life is medically prolonged and who's is not. The Republican party believe that it should be greed based, those with the deep pockets live and those without should at least have the decency not to complain. Do we spend our health care money "to give the roiting dead the will to live, go on and never die." or is the limited means spent on the young, those who have years to live.

That is DEEPLY unAmerican
and unConstitutional; it is collectivist-authoritarianism

OmSigDAVID, you really have no idea why America was founded in the first place. If you believe the commie/conservative propaganda, as so many people do today, everyone is a rugged individualist. If that were the case there would be no need for a country in the first place. Everyone would just do his own thing. If you hadn't noticed Human beings are born dependent. Of all the animals on earth human beings are more dependent on others for their survival. Our distant ancestors first banded together in tribes to survive and later countries. We live in a complex interdependent society and supply only a fraction of our needs. If those making gasoline stopped we could not refine our own.

Many things in our society are provided collectively, such as Police, Fire and a military. Was America founded as a Capitalist country? No the word was not even invented till years after America was founded. The golden idol of greed was forged in America by the communist intellectuals that founded the Modern Conservative Movement. The communist intellectuals forged the golden idol of greed for Americans to worship in hopes it would destroy America.

All American collectively pay for the Medical Schools and most of the doctors education, even many of the Hospitals were built with taxpayer dollars but in your philosophy only the ungodly greedy should benefit

U claim to be a telepath, huh ?



I believe that everyone shoud be, but not everyone is.



I 'd LOVE to support anarchism, but (very sadly) I can not.
I acknowledge that government is necessary to enforce contracts,
to facilitate vengeance, and to lead wars.





When America was founded,
there were NO police, neither here nor in England, until the 1800s.
Fire depts. were private and voluntary.



The Founders accepted the filosofy of Adam Smith.




What nonsense is THAT??????
R u accusing Barry Goldwater of being a commie ??????
We did not need Marx to be greedy.


Prove it.



Well, everyone shoud be greedy; that 's natural; not stingy, but greedy. Long live greed.





David

Om SigDavid

I don't need telephy there is a written historical record and what it tells us is that even the term capatalism was not invented. The founding fathers showed no constitutional intention of binding America to a particular economic theory of the time or to be invented in th future.

The term commie/conservative gives where credit is due. It was the communist intellectuals who were responsible for founding the Modern Conservative Movement, it is simply unfair not to credit them with their political accomplishments.

Commie/conservatives hate the American government, it was handd down in stone. like the Ten Commandments, from their communist forefathers.

There may have been no police force as such but there were laws and they were enforced by someone. America started out with English common law. In a perfect world there are no criminals but there is no perfect worlds.
Laws, courts, and police have a long hitory.

Stalin & Mao were commie conservatives.
Thay hated the American government.

Boris Yeltsin was a commie liberal because he turned away from communism.





David

OmsigDAVID, you don't have to be a communist to do a communist bidding and follow the orders out of Moscow. Communism did not always have a bad name in America. Communism was the new utopian wonder philosophy and the first international communist conventions was held in New York not Moscow. The Jewish community was especially taken by communism. Many of the communists were Jewish intellectuals The neoconservatives, such as Irving Kristol, who was Trotskyists and the father of William Kristol seen on Fox News. and Norman Podhoretz were communists an extremely proud of that fact.

Three years ago I was finishing up a book called "The Big Con" by Jonathan Chait, when I ran across this paragraph:

"Conservatism thus has a certainty about it that rarely can be found in liberalism. In this way, the ideological style of conservative discourse resembles that of communism much more than liberalism. It has an air of totalistic ideology. It is no surprise that a disproportionate number of conservative intellectuals were once communists-first the "National Review" crowd in the 1950s (Whitaker Chambers, James Burnham, Wildmoore Kendal, then the neoconservatives of the 1970s (former Trotshyists Irving Kristol and Norman Podhoretz). They simply exchanged the primacy of the state for the primacy of the market. "

I could not believe that the conservatives, who called everyone else communists, political movement was founded by communist intellectuals. I spent the next three years tracking down everything I could find out about the communist intellectuals and who actually founded of the Modern Conservative Movement.

I am not saying every conservative is conscious of being a communist, simply that they are doing the bidding of the communist intellectuals. The conservative political philosophy was the product of the communist intellectuals. Political philosophy is like director of a movie it controls the direction of the political movement.

What is undeniable, is America 30 year downward spiral, as soon as the conservative gained political power middle class America lost all the gains in the 30 years after WWII. An American couple now works another 32 hours a week than their fathers did alone and have less to show for it. Of all the increases in GNP in the last 30 years only the ungodly greedy benefited. By ungodly greedy I mean the top 1/100 of 1%. Greedism, the philosophy of the conservative movement, is destroy everything our forefathers worked for.

I carry the flag for GREED (but not stinginess).
I encourage everyone else to do so also.

The essence of liberalism is deviation from SOMETHING,
a partial rejection of something, inconsistent with its original meaning.
For instance, if a boy is sent by his mother to the store with a
shopping list of 10 items and he decides not to buy 3 of them,
he is being LIBERAL, as to that list, because he DEVIATED from it
by acting inconsistently with his mother's original meaning.
If he applies some of the money to the purchase of candy of his choice,
instead of his mother's choice of food, he is being liberal,
in distorting the original intendment of the shopping list.

When I spell fonetically, I am being LIBERAL as to paradigmatic spelling.
The innermost essence of liberalism is INCONSISTENCY with some designated criterion.

The Founders of this Republic were liberal to the extent
that thay DEVIATED from and rejected the Divine Right of English Kings.



Conservative means keeping rigidly unbending in the enforcement of a rule,
or law, or agreement or some paradigm; accordingly, conservatives conserve that rule
or agreement or criterion (e.g., a common style of dress, or style of art, or interpretation of a contract).

Liberal means deviating from some rule, or law,
or agreement or some paradigm, and not taking it too seriously.
A man is LIBERAL to the extent that he is deviant, errant, or inconsistent with some rule.

For instance,
if men are playing poker n one rakes in the pot
alleging that he has a flush, when he has 4 clubs and a spade,
and when challenged on this behavior, he declares
the liberal motto: " hay, that 's CLOSE ENUF; don 't be
too technical; don 't split hairs; just don t be a ball buster, OK ?
I had a fight with my cousin, yesterday I got a flat tire,
I belong to a minority group and my left foot stinks, so gimme a break n deal the cards."

Hence, he advocates the position that logic shoud be SUBORDINATED to emotion
and that thay shoud take a LIBERAL VU of the rules of poker because his sob story OUTRANKS
the technical rules requiring 5 cards of 1 suit for a flush.

Liberal = UNFAITHFUL to a concept or to an agreement.

"Conservative" means ORTHODOX.
"Conservative" means non-deviant.
"Liberal" means deviant and inconsistent.
Without having deviated from something no one can be liberal
because the essence of liberalism is turning away from something.

For instance, if u attend a formal banquet in a black tuxedo
with red sneakers, u deviate from the paradigm of formal dress,
thereby taking a liberal vu thereof. If u attend it in your underwear,
then u take a MORE LIBERAL interpretation of that paradigm.
If u attend it naked, then u apply a radical interpretation
( "from the root" ) of that paradigm.

Whether liberalism is good or bad
depends upon WHAT the liberal is veering away from.
Like when Boris Yeltsin veered away from communism, that was a GOOD thing.
When Deputy Fuhrer Rudolf Hess flew to Scotland in 1941, he was a liberal Nazi,
because he was deviating from Hitler’s war policy.

Liberalism includes ANY kind of deviation,
in any direction of 360 degrees of arc + up n down.

There is no logical semantic constriction on liberalism
that it can only exist in the direction of collectivist-authoritarianism a/k/a socialism.
Liberalism can be in the opposite direction or in any direction,
so long as it is deviant.

Barry Goldwater was a conservative BECAUSE his philosophy did NOT deviate
from the pro-freedom philosophy of the Founders of this Republic as set forth in the Constitution.

Barry Goldwater was a conservative BECAUSE his philosophy was rigidly faithful
to the US Constitution (which is the criterion).





David

OmgSigDavid

You need only look at history to see that greed has destroyed ever civilization that it allowed greed to get out of control. The communist intellectuals that founded the Modern Conservative Movement were very much students of history and very aware that greed destroys everything in its path. I have been able to secure some of the earlier works of the American communists intellectuals. There is even a mathematical formula that predicts the downfall of a country. Life is very similar to a game of Monopoly one person eventually controls all of the finical assets.

New research by neuroscientists show that psychopaths are far more widespread throughout society than has previously been suspected and a test has been devised to show where on the psychopathic scale people fall into. We all know Ted Bundy, killed, decapitated and had sex with his victims in that order but what society only beginning to understand is that is only one type of psychopath. There are psychopaths in every walk of life, expression of their psychopathic personality might be in destroying other businesses. Neuroscientists speculate that Bill Gates would score high on the psychopath scale, His he decapitates are other businesses.

Really?? WHICH civilizations were THOSE??
Specificly WHAT do u allege happened to them in consequence of greed ?

WELCOME to the forum, by the way Zardoz.
I 'm beginning to like u.


According to U, Barry Goldwater, Ludwig von Mises, and William F. Buckley Jr. were commies? ?????????
The founders of Young Americans for Freedom, were commies ?
I don 't think so. Thay were passionately anti-communist.




There were mathematical formulas showing that heavier-than-air machines
cannot possibly fly (pre-Wright Bros. at Kitty Hawk).
Forgive my skepticism.







Is that Y it has happened so many times in history that one person eventually controlled all of the financial assets??





Your point being what ??

If I discover that someone is not greedy,
I feel ill-at-ease about him. I wonder: "Y not?? That's unnatural.
What is rong with him? Seems perverted.
Must be some kinda weirdo."



No, I 'll confess to some ignorance qua the adventures of Ted B.
I did not keep abreast of events.





Your point being WHAT ??????

OmSigDAVID. it is a little hard for me to keep up right now, I am new to this board. The local boards I have posted on for the last 5 years went down 3 weeks a go and it appears to be permanent and my desk top died last week. My lap top is much more difficult to work with and often jumps lines for some reason. I am not a typist and I have to watch the key board and that makes for a mess when it jumps back up in the post.

America was founded by liberals, the American founding fathers were the most liberal people on the face of the earth. During the revolution war they had a word for the conservatives of the time, that word was traitor. The conservatives of that time wanted America to remain a colony of England and aided and abetted the enemy. After the American conservatives that weren’t shot or hung, were run out of America and their homes were burned to the ground. American Conservatives have a long and proud history to uphold before the American Communist claimed the term.
_____________________________________________________________________________________”The essence of liberalism is deviation from SOMETHING,
a partial rejection of something, inconsistent with its original meaning.
For instance, if a boy is sent by his mother to the store with a
shopping list of 10 items and he decides not to buy 3 of them,
he is being LIBERAL, as to that list, because he DEVIATED from it
by acting inconsistently with his mother's original meaning.
If he applies some of the money to the purchase of candy of his choice,
instead of his mother's choice of food, he is being liberal,
in distorting the original intendment of the shopping list.”

OmSigDAVID
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America certainly deviated from England with a revolutionary idea that men could govern themselves which was a deviation from the Christian concept of the divine right of Kings. Conservatism is to blindly adhere to the past even when a better way is known. America would still be a colony of England if the conservatives had their way.

Of course the Modern Conservative Movement was just a title that the American communist intellectuals attached to their utopian political philosophy, Greedism.

Word games are fine as long as one realizes that words have many and varied definitions, but which meaning can only be derived from the context the words is used. I had a discussion with my secretary as to the meaning of a simple four letter word, when I looked it up the word had 3 pages of definitions.
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“Zardoz wrote:
OmgSigDavid

You need only look at history to see that greed has destroyed
ever civilization that it allowed greed to get out of control.
Really?? WHICH civilizations were THOSE??
Specificly WHAT do u allege happened to them in consequence of greed ?
OmSigDAVID
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You have heard of speed dating? Welcome to speed posting. I don’t have the time or inclination to edit the posts. And old lady in town went to welcome her new neighbor. The young woman told the lady, “I like men and I like beer, there is going to be plenty of both.” The old lady never quite got over it. I speed post before work and there are going to be mistakes and there are going to be plenty of them. All that is necessary in communication is to get the idea across and mistakes often are an even more effective way to get the message across. The technique is used in advertising an it is very effective.

As I have already posted, I agree that the Founders were liberal
in that thay deviated from beliefs in THE DIVINE RIGHT OF ENGLISH KINGS.

Saying that anyone is liberal makes sense and is intelligible
ONLY if u indicate FROM WHAT it is that he has DEVIATED.

The Roosevelt-Kennedy kind of liberals are liberal
in that thay have DEVIATED from the Original Intendment of the Constitution, the social and political contract.
Thay advocated usurpation of ultra vires authority, by fraud.





David

OmSigDavid, sorry but I lost my entirereply this morning when I hit the back arrow.

Sorry, Z.; one safety device against that (if it is long) is putting it into your computer clipboard.

OmSigDAVID

I usually use word and cut and paste but when I tried to on this site by the time I finished writing they had automatically signed me out and I could not find the post I was responding to. Even though I found the tag function on this board I continued to write on line. Yesterday I paid the price. The old joke was that Jesus and the devil were pitted against each other in some kind of computer. They worked for hours only to have a power failure interrupt the contest, The devil lost all of his work but Jesus had periodically saved his work. The moral of the story was that Jesus saves. I learn from my mistakes and since I am now more familiar with this board I will use word in the future.

I will try to get the general gist of the post I wrote yesterday. I seldom approach a problem from the same direction twice but I will always use the same facts.

You always have to remember that religion is just a special subset of philosophy. Religious philosophy is the attempt to rationalize what is already here and make it more palatable. Kings predated most of the current religious philosophies. In the Christian religion god rules the world but how were Kings that held the power of life and death over their subjects to be explained. Man has a rational brain and what he uses it for is to rationalize what takes place around him. Like the just world concept where experiments showed different pictures of people, one group was told of the accomplishments of these people, the other group was told about all the tragic things that had happened to the same people. Neither case was true but the groups thought they were. All groups rated the same people far better when they were told good things happened to them and rated them far worse when they were victims of tragic events. We rationalize the world as just because we want a just world. That why in Nazi Germany a whole country of good people could not only watch but do nothing when 6 million Jews were exterminated. If they were being exterminated it was a just world and they deserved. Rationalization is easy, group rationalization is dangerous and soon brings out the psychopath in even those that score low on the psychopathic scale.

Neuroscientist now accept the model that man has three brains instead of .one. The first brain to evolve was the reptilian brain that controls automatic body functions like digestion and maintaining our temperature. The second brain was the emotional brain, or limbic brain. This controls the fight or flight response and is responsible for our emotions. The last brain to evolve was our rational brain which is process information slower than the emotional brain. The emotional brain has already colored incoming information before the rational brain even starts to process it. That is why the rational brain simply rationalizes what the emotional brain has already decided.

The Divine right of Kings was not just an English concept it was a key principal of Christianity. The purpose of religious philosophy was to rationalize the status quo. Like the people rated the people in the pictures, religious philosophers did the same they rationalized the existence of Kings as a function of god’s will on earth.
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Saying that anyone is liberal makes sense and is intelligible
ONLY if u indicate FROM WHAT it is that he has DEVIATED.

OmSigDAVID
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David you have to remember that any and all progress is only possible if you deviate from the present path otherwise we would all be fighting to live in a limited number of caves today. No progress can be made standing in the same place.
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“ The Roosevelt-Kennedy kind of liberals are liberal
in that they have DEVIATED from the Original Intendment of the Constitution, the social and political contract.
Thay advocated usurpation of ultra vires authority, by fraud.


OmSigDAVID
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If you are a student of history you will know that America deviated from being a second rate country to a world super power under Roosevelt and Kennedy cut the taxes on the ungodly greedy from 91%to 70%. Under Hoover the American communist movement multiplied 10 fold in one 4 year period. If Roosevelt had not made changes and deviated from the Greedism of the time, America would be a Communist country today. Roosevelt was the only thing that stood between communism and America. America view of Communism only changed after WWII up until that time even many American intellectuals believed a communist utopia was possible.

The founders of the Modern Conservative Movement were communists who believed that after the Great Depression that Capitalism had failed world wide and that communism was the only viable political philosophy.