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Freeing people from oppression and despair is eternally right.

 
 
Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2009 08:31 pm
"Freeing people from oppression and despair is eternally right. This nation must continue to speak out for justice and truth. We must always be willing to act in their defense and to advance the cause of peace."

Thus said President Bush, in all irony, in his final Presidential Address, in the face of the US' complicity in the state of Israel's abject oppression of the Palestinian people perpetrated in the name of perpetuating that state's existence as an ethnocentric state.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 15 Jan, 2009 09:43 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

"Freeing people from oppression and despair is eternally right. This nation must continue to speak out for justice and truth. We must always be willing to act in their defense and to advance the cause of peace."

Thus said President Bush, in all irony, in his final Presidential Address, in the face of the US' complicity in the state of Israel's abject oppression of the Palestinian people perpetrated in the name of perpetuating that state's existence as an ethnocentric state.


Sorry, Israel can be a "religiocentric state," but not an "ethnocentric state." And, there are many religiocentric states in the world.

I say this because in Israel there are Jews from all over the world. They have in common their religion, but not an ethnicity. Jews from the Middle East look like Arabs. Jews from Russia look sort of Russian (a likely mixing). Jews from Ethiopia look African.

When one talks of Jews being an ethnicity, I believe, they are thinking of the American Ashkenazi Jew eating a bagel with cream cheese, and watching a Woody Allen movie (which many New Yorkers do also).

The canard that Israel is an "ethnocentric state" is just false. But, mind you, there are ethnocentric states all over the world. That is why Pakistan got its freedom from India, for example, to be a religiocentric and ethnocentric state, I believe.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2009 04:56 am
@Foofie,
The fact that Israel is an ethnocentric state is no canard. The Zionists founded Israel as a secular state. The minimal qualification for the "law of return" is that an individual have at least one Jewish grandparent. Religiousness, although it is a qualification, is not a requirement.
Foofie
 
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Reply Fri 16 Jan, 2009 09:41 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

The fact that Israel is an ethnocentric state is no canard. The Zionists founded Israel as a secular state. The minimal qualification for the "law of return" is that an individual have at least one Jewish grandparent. Religiousness, although it is a qualification, is not a requirement.


Regardless of what the world misconstrues as an ethnicity, Judaism, and those that follow it to a greater or lesser degree, are followers of a religion. Just like lapsed Catholics are still Catholic in many eyes, I believe, they are not an ethnicity. One needs a country to come from to be an ethnicity. The Jews in Israel did not come from Jewland. They came from all over the world.

The anti-Israel folk, in my opinion, get on the ethnocentric spiel, since it masks the fact that many do not want a Jewish state in a world where many may think of Judaism as an anachronistic faith.

I believe, many in the world would just like to assimilate Jews as the most expedient way to deal with a group that has avoided assimilation for two millenia. The fact that Jews have not assimilated into the majority faiths offends many, I believe. Judaism in the world of monotheism, I believe, is an ever present mosquito.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2009 04:58 pm
@Foofie,
You yourself have identified yourself as a Jew, yet you are not religious, if I've read correctly.
Foofie
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2009 08:42 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

You yourself have identified yourself as a Jew, yet you are not religious, if I've read correctly.


Let me explain the nuance. I am not a religious Jew. I am a non-religious Jew. My being a Jew, in my opinion, only has to do with the religion that reflects Judaism - greater or lesser. If I decided to convert to Christianity, I would be a Christian, yet some people would still think I was a Jew. Some people do not like to deal with cognitive dissonance. And, to assuage that, some Christian faiths would just then refer to me as a Hebrew Christian. So, I cannot live by the opinion of others. I would not be a Jew, in my opinion, upon converting to another religion. Regardless, of what the world chooses to accept.


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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 01:17 am
We ragging on George Bush - not your foreskins...


Let me see.....

The Bush Administration (a very loose usage of the term) managed to remove the dictator, Saddam Hussein. This must have been a real disappointment to both his father and Donald Rumsfeld who spent so much time keeping him in that spot.

At this point, the USA has wasted 3.. 4.. trillion dollars and the lives of thousands of US citizens who were in no way threatened by Saddam. It has also managed to kill off around 1 million Iraqis. Another 3-4 million have fled the place - but not to the Home of Freedom - the intake of 'freedom-loving' Iraqis to the USA is pitiful. ******* pitiful. The majority are in Syria and Jordan - BEING OPPRESSED!!! Those countries aren't democracies and those countries didn't support Operation Iraq Liberation.



Any other people freed by George Bush?

Those masses in North Korea? Nope*.
Anyone from Tibet? Nope.
I know, those poor ******* Cubans - living on 23 fluid ounces of Bacardi and 5 cigars a day? Nope.
Women in Saudi Arabia.. or Kuwait... or Oman... or Bahrain... Oman.. the United Emirates? Nope. They're monarchies... no 18th century liberalism, if you please!
Hey, Burma.... nope



*did sent the New York Philharmonic in Feb 2008. Yep, an orchestra. Not like a fleet of destroyers, six Marine divisions and a few B-52s. An orchestra - that showed that those bomb-building bastards!
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 01:35 am
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00468/Bush385_468105a.jpg
The Worst President ever. If the Electoral council had dug up William Henry Harrison and re-inaugurated his bones, they would have made a better choice than installing this fool and his cadre of loons.

http://mybarrelomonkeys.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/dick-cheney.jpg
War Criminal. War Profiteer.

http://english.people.com.cn/200412/04/images/rumsfeld.jpg
War Criminal. Liar. Psychopath.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/05/01/wolfowitz_wideweb__470x376,0.jpg
Lunatic. Liar. Opportunistic prick.

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Liar. Career-obsessed yes-'girl'. Back-stabber.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 01:42 am
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/07/16/PH2008071602600.jpg
Lunatic. Constitution-shredder.

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0doIaWPfXdbvq/610x.jpg
Liar. Possible criminal. Unfit for office.

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War Criminal. Alleged Human Being.

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Alleged Human Being. Bush's 'Brain'. C*nt.
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