The call to exodus

Okay, well this is news to me. I don't think I've ever met another American who has ever said, 'America and Americans are inferior to other cultures'.
And I was taught history in highschool and university by those crazy 60's radicals you're talking about- yeah that'd be about right- they were ten, fifteen, twenty years older than me.
Do you (or I'll say 'they' for the purpose of this discussion since all you're doing is explaining 'their' mindset) ever talk to any of these teachers who are so ideologically radical and down on America? Do you ever speak with any of the students to find out exactly what message it is they're receiving?
And even if they are in a classroom with what I would consider to be the extremely odd or exceptional American who continues to live in America believing they're inferior and living in an inferior country,
do you think they're all just mindless little sponges soaking this propaganda up as they sit on their inferior asses dolefully and passive aggressively
( manipulatively) waiting until they're adults so they can don the coat of the victim and join the welfare line?

Hello? You must be living among different Americans than I if you think this scenario is the norm. My impression has always been and continues to be that most Americans- teachers, students, and otherwise-think America is the **** and if they're lucky enough to have been born there they feel they've hit one of life's jackpots and if they've been able to immigrate, they're happy to be living there and would just about do anything to not have to leave.

And my impression is that I could extend that attitude to a lot of the world. The question I get asked more than any other question is, 'If you could live in America - why are you living here?' And that's by the people who were born, raised and continue to live here.


And thank god they did. Because all of those things were/are true about America. I thank god I grew up and lived in a different America than the one in which my parents lived. I thank god that it's been changed by caring and compassionate adults who came before me and struggled and strived to change it into a place where someone like Barack Obama could be elected president.
Do you have a problem with the changes that took place in the 60's in America?

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No, I think that's just false. I think that most Americans, no matter how poor, love and cling to the possibility that America represents. And they understand this is a possiblity that is more available to them simply because they live in America (even if they were not born American). Thus, they don't begrudge those who were born here or came here and made their money honestly, as long as they didn't make it on the backs of other people.
Which unfortunately does happen to be true about how a lot of American fortunes were made.
Hell, I don't like that fact either. Do you? Should we?

I could go for the 'peace, tolerance and equality for all' bit though.

Gunga - public schools are doing the best they can with what they're given to do and the time they're given to do it.
Yeah, wouldn't private school be nice for everyone? No argument here...
Yeah, wouldn't it be great if all parents were naturally gifted and appropriately educated to teach their children at home....no argument there either.
Unfortunately, that's not the case.
And until it is, you work with what you got...

I would NEVER send my children to a school run by the first man in that video. He might as well say, 'be suspicious of everyone who's not like you'.
Absolutely hateful.





That's open to debate...I've worked in education my entire adult life, and I haven't seen it...but maybe you know more about it than I do. When's the last time you were in a public school history classroom?

I fully agree. The gunga ilk are busy fomenting the very discord they blame on "Marxist liberals". Its very interesting that such proactive attacks where truth is battered into submission are popular in the anti-intellectualism of this country, R Hofstadter was clear in his summary where he placed the blame on one aspect of the US society, Evangelical Christianity.

Many religious groups are opposed to education for the very reason that it undermines the statements from authority upon which their world view is predicated. What is offered here is an opportunity to assure that one's children are not exposed to questions which would have the effect of raising doubt about the dogma of their parents and preachers.

i agree with gunga, a spiritual education is best, look to our muslim friends, the madrassa and wahabi schools have produced such enlightened pupils

and laziness. A lot of people like what comes most easily, regardless of their religious beliefs or affiliations.

yep - I also wonder how they justify advocating such blatant separatism, when in my Sunday school lessons, I remember hearing something about trying to be the 'light of the world'- you know- providing and showing the love of christ to others....hmmm....I guess they've decided to let those poor public school children just stumble around in utter darkness.

This bullshit isn't christianity

Spending $10000/kid/year to teach kids how to feel good about themselves while falling to the bottom of the industrialized world by every other measure isn't Christianity either. Particularly when the normal situation is to have some little Christian school two blocks away spending a third of that and doing a reasonable job of educating the kids lucky enough to have escaped to it.

And public education doesn't profess to be- in fact it declares itself totally separate from Christianity.


These people aren't normal - they're not even normal Christians. They're alarmists and separatists and they're not following the mandate of Christ.
If I left public school and went to one of these schools where everyone was just like me - I wouldn't feel I'd escaped anything. I'd feel imprisoned.

All I will say is this - an education is available in every public school I've attended and taught in for anyone who wants it.
I have never been in a school where I did not feel that the opportunity to learn was available to whoever wanted to pursue it.
I got a great public school education - but I pursued it.
And it has to be actively pursued because learning is not passive.

It's not about spending and money and technology. It's about self-direction and motivation.
You can blame teachers, you can blame administrators, you can blame whoever or whatever you want. But if someone gives a student a book and offers to help them decode and comprehend its content, making allowances and accomodations for all sorts of learning styles and issues (as has become more and more mandated and comon) and they still don't learn anything -that's on them.
It's as simple as that.

You're now claiming that Jesus would want people to allow their children to be indoctrinated and dumbed down by the NEA and its minions even when it wasn't necessary??

Yeah, uh - huh, that's exactly what I'm saying....
haven't you ever read that? It's in one of the gospels...

Don't feel you have to worry about what I feel Jesus wants. I think it's pretty obvious we're viewing and coming at the problem from different angles.

Did those christian dipshits leave yet? Or were they just tryin' to get our hopes up?

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Jesus went to a public High School and was in the class play where he played "Atticus Finch". His yearbook pictures are something to see.

Prior to his NBA career?

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/50097



Cycloptichorn

so during the missing years, jesus was attempting a career in summer stock, good training for the ministry