Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

@oralloy,

Heh.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

by your own argument, the israelis dispossessed them of their indigenous lands, and took them for themselves.

The Israelis are indigenous too.

MontereyJack wrote:

that's why there's no peace.

That is incorrect. The reason why there is no peace is because the Palestinians refuse to make peace under any circumstances whatsoever.

MontereyJack wrote:

give them back their land

No.

Palestinian refusal to make peace under any circumstances means that Israel gets to keep the entire West Bank for themselves.

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@oralloy,

Israel's refusal under any circumstances to give back the land they illegally expropriated from the indigenous palestinians is what has caused the conflict and made settlement impossible.

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@MontereyJack,

The origins of the Jewish population is European in the majority.
Edit...... I should have added in Israel.

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@RABEL222,

The Jewish population of Israel is indigenous to the West Bank area.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

Israel's refusal under any circumstances to give back the land they illegally expropriated from the indigenous palestinians is what has caused the conflict and made settlement impossible.

Wrong. Israel has repeatedly and endlessly offered to return to 1967 borders in exchange for peace.

It's the Palestinians, and only the Palestinians, who refuse to make peace under any circumstances.

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@oralloy,

1967/ Right. So you pick a date arbitrarily and say they must accept the boundaries from that date, which consolidates their land loss. Very one sided and biased of you. Whynot 1947, before the partition of palestine which resulted in the loss of much of their land because of the future israeli land grab for it. Why not 1917, before the Balfour Declaration when the brits started to give away their land? Point being, you one sidedly set a date when much of their land was taken from them and call that a fair starting point, which it assuredly was not.

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@oralloy,

So is the palestinian population indigenous to it, but you want to kick them out. Which means your whole argument for indigeneity, which is not in fact the legal basis for land allocation except in your mind, is totally one sided and out of contact with reality.

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@oralloy,

This is a bald faced lie perpertrated by the Nazi government of Israel and passed on by idiots like you.

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@RABEL222,

Godwin's Law again.

Another well-deserved victory for Israel!

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

So is the palestinian population indigenous to it, but you want to kick them out.

I am not suggesting kicking the Palestinians out of the region. I propose a Palestinian state comprised of the Gaza Strip alone.

MontereyJack wrote:

Which means your whole argument for indigeneity, which is not in fact the legal basis for land allocation except in your mind,

Indigenous people have the right to live in their own homeland whether you like it or not.

MontereyJack wrote:

is totally one sided and out of contact with reality.

DNA, history, and archaeology are all very clear that Israeli Jews are indigenous to the West Bank area.

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@MontereyJack,

MontereyJack wrote:

1967/ Right. So you pick a date arbitrarily and say they must accept the boundaries from that date, which consolidates their land loss. Very one sided and biased of you. Why not 1947, before the partition of palestine which resulted in the loss of much of their land because of the future israeli land grab for it. Why not 1917, before the Balfour Declaration when the brits started to give away their land? Point being, you one sidedly set a date when much of their land was taken from them and call that a fair starting point, which it assuredly was not.

I would think that 1967 borders would have been preferable to the Palestinians compared to a state that was comprised of the Gaza Strip alone.

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@oralloy,

well sure you would, since you've been opposed to a fair and equitable settlement forever, since your only concern is for the israelis o aggrandize as much of other people's land as they could. that's not the way to peace.

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@MontereyJack,

If you think that "the Gaza Strip alone" is preferable to "1967 borders" then you'll like the outcome of this conflict, because that's what it's going to be.

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@oralloy,

Never gonna happen. For one thing, we're going to get rid of trump come november, and that's gonna leave netanyahu hanging out to dry and the israelis isolated.

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@MontereyJack,

America is not going to abandon Israel even if Mr. Biden is elected.

Israel would easily survive without American support even if America did abandon them. They might need to get a lot more ruthless with their neighbors, but that would be their neighbors' problem.

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@MontereyJack,

I should add, if America abandoned Israel, that would also free Israel's hand in dealing with the Palestinians.

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@oralloy,

They are a non-signatory to the IAEA, so effectively they are already a rogue state.

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@Builder,

That is incorrect. A sovereign state's decision to not join a treaty does not make it a rogue state.

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A critical report by the Israeli human rights groups Breaking the Silence, Yesh Din and Physicians for Human Rights Israel details the trauma of families as soldiers describe midnight raids in the occupied territories.

The report details the severe psychological impact on individuals, families and wider Palestinian society of raids usually accompanied by no paperwork and whose arbitrary nature, the authors suggest, may be in breach of international law.

A Life Exposed: Military invasions of Palestinian homes in the West Bank

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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

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