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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 11:47 am
@oralloy,
Heh.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 12:37 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
by your own argument, the israelis dispossessed them of their indigenous lands, and took them for themselves.

The Israelis are indigenous too.


MontereyJack wrote:
that's why there's no peace.

That is incorrect. The reason why there is no peace is because the Palestinians refuse to make peace under any circumstances whatsoever.


MontereyJack wrote:
give them back their land

No.

Palestinian refusal to make peace under any circumstances means that Israel gets to keep the entire West Bank for themselves.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 02:08 pm
@oralloy,
Israel's refusal under any circumstances to give back the land they illegally expropriated from the indigenous palestinians is what has caused the conflict and made settlement impossible.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 02:20 pm
@MontereyJack,
The origins of the Jewish population is European in the majority.
Edit...... I should have added in Israel.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 04:46 pm
@RABEL222,
The Jewish population of Israel is indigenous to the West Bank area.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 04:47 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
Israel's refusal under any circumstances to give back the land they illegally expropriated from the indigenous palestinians is what has caused the conflict and made settlement impossible.

Wrong. Israel has repeatedly and endlessly offered to return to 1967 borders in exchange for peace.

It's the Palestinians, and only the Palestinians, who refuse to make peace under any circumstances.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 07:17 pm
@oralloy,
1967/ Right. So you pick a date arbitrarily and say they must accept the boundaries from that date, which consolidates their land loss. Very one sided and biased of you. Whynot 1947, before the partition of palestine which resulted in the loss of much of their land because of the future israeli land grab for it. Why not 1917, before the Balfour Declaration when the brits started to give away their land? Point being, you one sidedly set a date when much of their land was taken from them and call that a fair starting point, which it assuredly was not.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 07:23 pm
@oralloy,
So is the palestinian population indigenous to it, but you want to kick them out. Which means your whole argument for indigeneity, which is not in fact the legal basis for land allocation except in your mind, is totally one sided and out of contact with reality.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 08:00 pm
@oralloy,
This is a bald faced lie perpertrated by the Nazi government of Israel and passed on by idiots like you.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 10:09 pm
@RABEL222,
Godwin's Law again.

Another well-deserved victory for Israel!
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 10:34 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
So is the palestinian population indigenous to it, but you want to kick them out.

I am not suggesting kicking the Palestinians out of the region. I propose a Palestinian state comprised of the Gaza Strip alone.


MontereyJack wrote:
Which means your whole argument for indigeneity, which is not in fact the legal basis for land allocation except in your mind,

Indigenous people have the right to live in their own homeland whether you like it or not.


MontereyJack wrote:
is totally one sided and out of contact with reality.

DNA, history, and archaeology are all very clear that Israeli Jews are indigenous to the West Bank area.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 10:36 pm
@MontereyJack,
MontereyJack wrote:
1967/ Right. So you pick a date arbitrarily and say they must accept the boundaries from that date, which consolidates their land loss. Very one sided and biased of you. Why not 1947, before the partition of palestine which resulted in the loss of much of their land because of the future israeli land grab for it. Why not 1917, before the Balfour Declaration when the brits started to give away their land? Point being, you one sidedly set a date when much of their land was taken from them and call that a fair starting point, which it assuredly was not.

I would think that 1967 borders would have been preferable to the Palestinians compared to a state that was comprised of the Gaza Strip alone.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 11:10 pm
@oralloy,
well sure you would, since you've been opposed to a fair and equitable settlement forever, since your only concern is for the israelis o aggrandize as much of other people's land as they could. that's not the way to peace.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 11:11 pm
@MontereyJack,
If you think that "the Gaza Strip alone" is preferable to "1967 borders" then you'll like the outcome of this conflict, because that's what it's going to be.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 11:15 pm
@oralloy,
Never gonna happen. For one thing, we're going to get rid of trump come november, and that's gonna leave netanyahu hanging out to dry and the israelis isolated.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 26 Sep, 2020 11:16 pm
@MontereyJack,
America is not going to abandon Israel even if Mr. Biden is elected.

Israel would easily survive without American support even if America did abandon them. They might need to get a lot more ruthless with their neighbors, but that would be their neighbors' problem.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 27 Sep, 2020 12:32 pm
@MontereyJack,
I should add, if America abandoned Israel, that would also free Israel's hand in dealing with the Palestinians.
Builder
 
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Reply Tue 29 Sep, 2020 01:16 am
@oralloy,
They are a non-signatory to the IAEA, so effectively they are already a rogue state.
oralloy
 
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Reply Tue 29 Sep, 2020 01:18 am
@Builder,
That is incorrect. A sovereign state's decision to not join a treaty does not make it a rogue state.
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