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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
  2  
Thu 22 Sep, 2016 02:48 pm
@oralloy,
You're so confused, you don't even know what "illegal" is. You don't even seem to know what the United Nations is all about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law_and_Israeli_settlements

Quote:
Numerous UN resolutions have stated that the building and existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights are a violation of international law, including UN Security Council resolutions in 1979 and 1980.[10][11][12] UN Security Council Resolution 446 refers to the Fourth Geneva Convention as the applicable international legal instrument, and calls upon Israel to desist from transferring its own population into the territories or changing their demographic makeup. The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions has declared the settlements illegal[13] as has the primary judicial organ of the UN, the International Court of Justice[14] and the International Committee of the Red Cross.

oralloy
 
  -1  
Fri 23 Sep, 2016 06:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
No confusion or lack of knowledge.

International law also forbids the Palestinians' perpetual war against Israel.

Israel is only required to give up land as part of a peace agreement with the the Palestinians.

The Palestinians' refusal to agree to this peace means that Israel gets to keep the land.
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Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Sun 25 Sep, 2016 10:32 am
Fifa is urged to kick out Israeli football clubs located in West Bank
Quote:
Football’s international governing body, Fifa, is facing pressure to rule next month that six Israeli football clubs based in illegal settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories should either relocate to Israel or be banned from Fifa-recognised competition and support.
[...]
The publication of the report comes amid hints from the head of the Fifa committee set up to consider the issue, the South African sports official Tokyo Sexwale, that his committee will present recommendations on a number of complaints from Palestinian football concerning Israel, including the issue of settlement teams.

The move is opposed by Israel’s football association and by the clubs involved, whosay that a ban on playing in settlements would punish children involved with the clubs, as well as the clubs themselves, and that Fifa has no authority to define what is Israeli territory.

At the centre of the controversy is Fifa’s own rulebook which says that football clubs which are Fifa member affiliates, such as the Israel Football Association, may not play on the territory of other football associations without the other association’s permission.

Because settlements are built on territory that is regarded under international law as illegally occupied by Israel, critics argue that the settlement clubs are playing outside the Israel Football Association’s territory and without the permission of the Palestinian Football Association [PFA], which has been recognised by Fifa since 1998.
[...]
izzythepush
 
  0  
Sun 25 Sep, 2016 10:39 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Let's hope they do it before Thursday, we could do with a bye.
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Foofie
 
  1  
Tue 27 Sep, 2016 12:59 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

You are confused about 'values.' It's a legal issue, and by international law, Israel is stealing Palestinian lands with the blessing of the US.


Then the land should go back to Jordan, since before 1967, the West Bank belonged to Jordan with all the Palestinians under Jordanian hegemony. You are confused, in my opinion, about the identity of the Palestinians prior to 1967. "Stealing" is a strong word. Who were the indigenous people in SF before you arrived. Perhaps, those bigots that told you and your family to go back where you came from were just doing what the Palestinians seem to be doing? You stayed though, just like an Israeli "settler." With the blessing of the U.S. government, naturally.
Walter Hinteler
 
  2  
Tue 27 Sep, 2016 01:08 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
Then the land should go back to Jordan, since before 1967, the West Bank belonged to Jordan with all the Palestinians under Jordanian hegemony.
'Transjordan' annexed what is now known as "West Banks" in 1950 - but Jordan's annexation was never recognized by any country besides the United Kingdom.
Foofie
 
  0  
Tue 27 Sep, 2016 02:18 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foofie wrote:
Then the land should go back to Jordan, since before 1967, the West Bank belonged to Jordan with all the Palestinians under Jordanian hegemony.
'Transjordan' annexed what is now known as "West Banks" in 1950 - but Jordan's annexation was never recognized by any country besides the United Kingdom.


So, who had hegemony over the Palestinians?
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oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 27 Sep, 2016 02:33 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
The Guardian wrote:
At the centre of the controversy is Fifa’s own rulebook which says that football clubs which are Fifa member affiliates, such as the Israel Football Association, may not play on the territory of other football associations without the other association’s permission.

Sooner or later anti-Semitic nonsense like this is going to result in Israel finishing construction of the Security Fence, including in all the areas where they are being pressured not to build it, and then they will declare the Security Fence as their official national border.

Then we'll all get to laugh at the Palestinians when they start wailing and blubbering.
Walter Hinteler
 
  3  
Tue 27 Sep, 2016 02:37 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
Sooner or later anti-Semitic nonsense like this ...
Why is the FIFA-rulebook anti-Semitic?
oralloy
 
  -1  
Tue 27 Sep, 2016 05:26 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
oralloy wrote:
Sooner or later anti-Semitic nonsense like this ...

Why is the FIFA-rulebook anti-Semitic?

What is anti-Semitic is the claim that these Israeli settlements are on Palestinian land just because the border hasn't been drawn yet.

I supposed if FIFA also blocked Palestinian soccer clubs in the West Bank, that might make it fair.
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Wed 28 Sep, 2016 06:34 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
I supposed if FIFA also blocked Palestinian soccer clubs in the West Bank, that might make it fair.
The two top divisions of the Palestinian Football Federation are the Jawwal West Bank Premier League and the Gaza Strip Premier League. The top women's football league is the West Bank Women's League.
oralloy
 
  -4  
Wed 28 Sep, 2016 04:30 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:
The two top divisions of the Palestinian Football Federation are the Jawwal West Bank Premier League and the Gaza Strip Premier League. The top women's football league is the West Bank Women's League.

So if FIFA bans both Israeli and Palestinian football teams from the West Bank, that will be fair.

If they ban Israeli teams alone, that will be blatant anti-Semitism.

And sooner or later, Israel is going to lose their patience with such anti-Semitic nonsense. They will finish building the Security Fence, including in all the places where everyone is pressuring them not to build it, and they will declare it as their official border.

And then we will all get to make fun of all the wailing and sobbing by the Palestinians.
momoends
 
  1  
Fri 30 Sep, 2016 10:04 pm
@oralloy,
"all"? --- just ignorant and poor soul people could make fun of the suffering of others
momoends
 
  1  
Fri 30 Sep, 2016 10:06 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
is FIFA actions being considered as relevant when talking about international conflict by anybody here? ..... really?!!!!
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oralloy
 
  -2  
Sat 1 Oct, 2016 12:15 am
@momoends,
momoends wrote:
"all"? --- just ignorant and poor soul people could make fun of the suffering of others

These savages deserve all their suffering and even more. They were given endless opportunities for peace, and all they ever did was murder innocent people.

If you hatemongers want to join these thugs in their suffering, so much the better.
momoends
 
  5  
Sat 1 Oct, 2016 12:27 am
@oralloy,
neanderthal
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MontereyJack
 
  4  
Sat 1 Oct, 2016 09:59 am
@oralloy,
Seems to me, you're the prime hatemonger on these threads, oralloy.
perennialloner
 
  6  
Sat 1 Oct, 2016 10:23 am
@oralloy,
Last time I checked, the Palestinians weren't the ones who came to another land, systematically took it, and then proceeded to call it theirs, with the blessing of Europe and the US. It is funny that you call them savages, as that is the same rhetoric the Zionists initially used to justify their plans for the land. Israel was meant to be a light in a sea of darkness. What is really savage is using one's privileges to take advantage of a largely uneducated people who were completely blindsided by a foreign ideology. Savage is treating other people as a non-people.

Quote:
these savages deserve all their suffering

This needs a shout so everyone knows you think the unacceptable number of Palestinian children who have died as a result of this conflict is not only justified, but deserved. In other words, Palestinian children deserve death.
cicerone imposter
 
  5  
Sat 1 Oct, 2016 11:54 am
@perennialloner,
Everybody is wasting their time with orally. He's a hopeless bigot with no understanding of international law.
izzythepush
 
  2  
Sat 1 Oct, 2016 12:14 pm
@perennialloner,
Everyone knows what Oralboy is. I think there's something wrong with him, there's a big scandal about lead and drinking water where he lives.
 

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