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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
JTT
 
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Wed 8 Dec, 2010 05:44 pm
@Ionus,
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jtt wrote: using America is as correct as using the United States of America, or the USA.


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Ionus replied: No, it isnt[sic]. Government letters do not have a letterhead saying from the penmanship of America.


There's much more to language than government letters. But it's obvious that you don't know much in the way of language and how it works.


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Ionus replied: If people from the USA want to refer to themselves as Americans, I wont stop them, but it behoves the rest of the world to be less self absorbed.


You state that it isn't correct, then in the next breath you allow that it is correct. You rail against PC speech and then you go all PC on us.

Could you be any dumber or more hypocritical? Yes, I believe you could, without much effort at all.

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The discussion was about Israel.


Everyone can see that you are a liar. YOU addressed me on what I said to Foofie. That became the discussion, one that you made and now you try to pull this nonsense.

What a stupid trick to try. Making some phony pretense about "staying on topic".

Could you be any dumber or more hypocritical? Yes, I believe you could, without much effort at all.


Ionus
 
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Wed 8 Dec, 2010 06:02 pm
@JTT,
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But it's obvious that you don't know much in the way of language and how it works.
Jews and Israelis are two distinctly seperate groups but North and South America, the USA and native Americans are all the same. Tell me how language works because I get a good laugh out of everything you post.

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There's much more to language than government letters. But it's obvious that you don't know much in the way of language and how it works.
You mean how every english speaking person in the world lives in the USA and calls themselves American...

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If people from the USA want to refer to themselves as Americans, I wont stop them, but it behoves the rest of the world to be less self absorbed.
You state that it isn't correct, then in the next breath you allow that it is correct.
No, you need to ring for nursey again. What was said is above and people can work out what kind of fool you are for themselves.

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You rail against PC speech and then you go all PC on us.
??? PC ????What the hell is wrong with you ??? Do you know the difference between accuracy and PC ? NO ? Then ask someone.

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Could you be any dumber or more hypocritical?
Very Happy tell us how you are saving the world from war crimes because you are the only person with understanding and morality and human decency and puppy dogs and niceness and flowers and lolly pops and sunshine. tell us how hypocritical it is to blame the USA for ALL war crimes everywhere and yet you will not go join the Taliban...why is that ?

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YOU addressed me on what I said to Foofie.
Ahhh....**** for brains....you ADDRESSED me about the difference between Jews and Israelis. I pointed out that if you are to be accurate, you shouldnt say america when you mean USA. Remember now ?

(Aside to squirrels.....isnt there someway to block old folks homes from attempting to contribute ? This dumb bitch is taking up space...)
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Advocate
 
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Wed 22 Dec, 2010 04:43 pm
With hatred like indicated below, how can there ever be peace between Israel and the Palestinians. Infra will be pleased to read this article. However, efforts to reach an accord must never stop.





The Palestinians: What Is Really Destroying the Chance for Peace
by Khaled Abu Toameh, Hudson New York, December 7, 2010

It is sad and abhorrent to see how many Arabs have rejoiced over the big forest fire in Northern Israel, calling it a "divine punishment" for Israelis and wishing that the blaze would spread to destroy all Jews.

The messages of hate are the result of decades of incitement against Israel and Jews in the Arab media and mosques throughout the Arab and Islamic world.

The comments serve as a reminder that many people in the Arab and Islamic countries still have not come to terms with Israel's right to exist in this part of the world. Even worse, many of the talkbacks show that many Arabs and Muslims would welcome another Holocaust.

These reactions were posted on Web sites of major Arab media outlets, such as the popular Al-Jazeera and Al-Arabiya TV networks, and the Saudi-owned Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper.

What is troubling is that these repugnant comments appeared on Web sites that are not necessarily associated with radical Islam.

Al-Arabiya and Asharq Al-Awsat are owned by members of the Saudi royal family, which, ironically, has been frequently targeted by Muslim fundamentalist groups like Al-Qaeda.

The overwhelming majority of talkbacks that appeared on the Web sites of these three powerful media organizations in the past few days showed how many Arabs and Muslim continue to dream about the destruction of Israel.

True, some readers and viewers did not join in the "celebration" of the fire that killed more than 40 people and destroyed hundreds of thousands of trees. Some even expressed sympathy with Israel, and some even criticized Arabs and Muslims who rejoiced over the fire.

But these "positive" comments reflected the opinion of a tiny minority. For example, out of 123 comments posted on one of the Web sites, less than 15 seemed to be rational.

The hateful postings did not only come from Arab and Islamic countries and the Palestinian Authority-controlled territories, but also from Arabs living in North America, Australia, Sweden and Europe.

Ahmed Abdallah from Australia wrote the following comment on Al-Jazeera's Web site: "O' God, how generous you are! Bring happiness to the heart of every Palestinian mother who lost her son or whose son is in prison."

Writing from Berlin, Germany, a reader who identified himself as Sarrawi commented: "Thank God and 1,000 congratulations [for the death of 42 Israelis]. O' God, give us more!"

From the UK, Zuheir Dabbagh wrote: "Thank God, we bring the good news to the Muslims that the land has gotten rid of 40 criminals."

Arabs who agreed to help Israel put out the fire also came under attack. The Palestinian Authority leadership and the Egyptian and Jordanian governments were strongly denounced as "traitors" for sending firefighters to Israel.

What is also worrying about the thousands of comments is that many Arabs and Muslims see Israel's appeal for international assistance in putting out the fire as a sign of weakness.

Many of those who expressed joy over the fire urged Iran, Hizbullah and Hamas to seize the "golden opportunity" and try to eliminate Israel for once and for all. Others wrote that if Israel cannot handle a fire, there is no reason to believe that it could win in any war.

There is good reason to believe that the anti-Israel and anti-Jewish attitudes expressed in these comments reflect the views of many Arabs and Muslims. With attitudes like these, it is hard to see how real peace can be achieved in the Middle East in the near future. Unless this incitement stops, the prospects of moving forward with the "peace process" between Israelis and Arabs are as bleak as ever.
InfraBlue
 
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Wed 22 Dec, 2010 10:35 pm
After Freeze, Settlement Building Booms in Israel
December 22, 2010

By ETHAN BRONNER
JERUSALEM — In the three months since Israel ended its settlement construction freeze in the West Bank, causing the Palestinians to withdraw from peace talks, a settlement-building boom has begun, especially in more remote communities that are least likely to be part of Israel after any two-state peace deal.

This means that if negotiations ever get back on track, there will be thousands more Israeli settlers who will have to relocate into Israel, posing new problems over how to accommodate them while creating a Palestinian state on the land where many of them are living now.

In addition to West Bank settlement-building, construction for predominantly Jewish housing in East Jerusalem, where the Palestinians hope to make their future capital, has been rapidly growing after a break of half a year, with hundreds of units approved and thousands more planned.

On a tour of West Bank construction sites, Dror Etkes, an anti-settlement advocate who has spent the past nine years chronicling their growth, said he doubted whether there had been such a burst in settlement construction in at least a decade.

Hagit Ofran, a settlement opponent who monitors their growth for Peace Now, said, “We can say firmly that this is the most active period in many years.” She said there were 2,000 housing units being built now and a total of 13,000 in the pipeline that did not require additional permits. In each of the past three years, about 3,000 units have been built.

more. . .
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 23 Dec, 2010 10:19 am
@InfraBlue,
So much for any peace process to proceed, and the Jews have the chutzpah to blame the Palestinians.
rabel22
 
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Thu 23 Dec, 2010 01:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Watch out CI. Someone will accuse you of being antisemitic.
cicerone imposter
 
  -1  
Thu 23 Dec, 2010 01:29 pm
@rabel22,
I don't mind being called anti-Semitic by the people on a2k who are bigots and can't see their own inhumanity towards the Palestinians. They wonder why Hamas continues to bomb in Israel; they can't understand that stealing land is illegal, and the US continues to support this illegal activity. Who in their place would do otherwise? The Jews?
oralloy
 
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Thu 23 Dec, 2010 01:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
So much for any peace process to proceed, and the Jews have the chutzpah to blame the Palestinians.


Well, since the Palestinians are the ones who undermine peace with all their violence.....
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oralloy
 
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Thu 23 Dec, 2010 01:51 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
I don't mind being called anti-Semitic by the people on a2k who are bigots and can't see their own inhumanity towards the Palestinians.


As if it were inhumane to tell Palestinians not to murder children.... Laughing




cicerone imposter wrote:
They wonder why Hamas continues to bomb in Israel;


No one wonders. We all know it is because Palestinians are evil people who refuse to stop trying to murder people.




cicerone imposter wrote:
they can't understand that stealing land is illegal, and the US continues to support this illegal activity.


We understand that Israel is not stealing land.

The land will be returned if the other parties ever make peace with Israel.

If they continue to refuse to make peace with Israel, Israel is free to use the land as their own.
oralloy
 
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Thu 23 Dec, 2010 01:57 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate wrote:
However, efforts to reach an accord must never stop.


I don't know about that. Wake me up when the Palestinians are actually interested in peace. Everything until then is going to be a complete waste of energy.
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cicerone imposter
 
  0  
Thu 23 Dec, 2010 02:30 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy, You are one ignorant (if you are one) Jew: Israelis have killed children. Let me know when you have the facts straight.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Thu 23 Dec, 2010 02:48 pm
@Advocate,
Christmas trees are provocative in some parts of Israel, like in Nazareth, where Jesus is said to have spent much of his life.

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"The request of the [Christian] Arabs to put Christmas trees in the squares in the Arab quarter of Nazareth Illit is provocative," Mayor Shimon Gapso told AFP.

"Nazareth Illit is a Jewish city and it will not happen -- not this year and not next year, so long as I am a mayor," he said of the northern Israeli town.
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 23 Dec, 2010 03:05 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Some people, including some ignorant US politicians, have the gall to call Israel a "democracy." What a farce!
oralloy
 
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Thu 23 Dec, 2010 04:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
oralloy, You are one ignorant (if you are one) Jew:


You see Jews everywhere, don't you? Laughing

The ignorance lies entirely with the anti-Semites. Those of us who reject anti-Semitism don't tend to suffer from that malady.




cicerone imposter wrote:
Israelis have killed children.


Only while defending themselves from Palestinian murderers.

And note that "children" is almost always a Palestinian codeword for "16-year-old firing a machinegun".




cicerone imposter wrote:
Let me know when you have the facts straight.


Consider yourself notified that I've had my facts straight from the beginning.
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oralloy
 
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Thu 23 Dec, 2010 04:56 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Some people, including some ignorant US politicians, have the gall to call Israel a "democracy." What a farce!


Funny how you refer to anyone who rejects anti-Semitism as "ignorant".
cicerone imposter
 
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Thu 23 Dec, 2010 05:02 pm
@oralloy,
You're confused!
oralloy
 
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Thu 23 Dec, 2010 06:02 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
You're confused!


No confusion. Israel will hand over land in exchange for peace.

Without peace, Israel gets to keep the land.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 23 Dec, 2010 06:15 pm
@oralloy,
Quit your ******* idiocy!@ Israel continues to expand their settlements over Palestinian lands while they speak with forked tongue.
oralloy
 
  0  
Thu 23 Dec, 2010 06:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Quit your ******* idiocy!@


Your dislike of reality does not make reality "idiocy".



cicerone imposter wrote:
Israel continues to expand their settlements over Palestinian lands


And rightly so. Until the Palestinians choose to make peace, Israel can do whatever they want with the land.



cicerone imposter wrote:
while they speak with forked tongue.


Nonsense.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Thu 23 Dec, 2010 06:38 pm
@oralloy,
The so-called "reality" is the simple fact that 1. Jews continue to expand settlements on Palestinian lands (that's illegal), 2. Jews have killed innocent children, 3. Israel is not a democracy, and 4. there are many Jews who believes the facts as I do.

From Indigo Society:
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While pro Zionist groups staged a "rally for united Jerusalem", on April 25, 2010, in front of the Israeli consulate in New York City, in which they condemned the United states President Obama for not supporting Israel fully, Anti Zionist Orthodox Jews where counter protesting the existence of Israel, the ongoing expansion of settlements and the attacks against world leaders.
 

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