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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 05:35 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:
i'm still not sure if the statement is true, nor do i care,

Israel has not appropriated land since 1967.

Since then they have only given up land, but only when giving it up seemed likely to result in peace with their neighbors.
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 05:38 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
My point was the rippling effect throughout the middle east which is caused by US intervention on the side of Israel in defiance of the many crimes committed by the zionist nation against the Palestinians

Stop lying Adolf. No such crimes.


Moment-in-Time wrote:
the continuation occupation of their land

The only land that belongs to the Palestinians is what was given to them back when they had fooled people into thinking that they were interested in peace.

Israel does not occupy that land.


Moment-in-Time wrote:
What makes Israel's influence in the US congress so impressive is because of vast money contributions from the Israeli lobby and like-minded groups (Sheldon Adelson, a casino magnate worth many billions, is a generous donor to AIPAC on behalf of Israel.) to the ambitious hungry congressional politicians to retain power pure and simple....take the hefty amount of money contributions away and Israel would not stand a snowball chance in hell of getting the attention of the US congress.

Nonsense.

What makes Israel's influence in Congress so strong is the fact that the American people believe in siding with the good guys.


Moment-in-Time wrote:
Once a politician is no longer in office or beholden to AIPAC for campaign funds, he may sometimes speak disparagingly of the Zionist nation, releasing much of the inner contempt he has for Israeli policies.

Anti-Semitic scum are indeed nauseating.


Moment-in-Time wrote:
Israel is doing everything it can to sabotage the Iran-US nuclear discussions.

Nonsense.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 07:46 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:

I'm not including the fundamental Christians who think only 144 Jews will get into heaven, for realistically, they're just not that significant.


Oh, I wouldn't discount the fundamentalist Christians so easily. Christians United for Israel is the largest pro-Israel funding and political group in the US according to Jennifer Rubin in her The Weekly Standard article. Christian Resorationism, what with writers such as George Bush, later to be called Christian Zionism pre-dates the Zionist movement.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 08:00 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
The fact that the crimes of the "Zionist leadership" are entirely imaginary…

Says you.

oralloy wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
That both extremists, the Zionists and the Palestinian militants, would be subject to persecution would play to the benefit of Fatah.

You meant "prosecution" I presume?

Yeah, thanks for the correction.

oralloy wrote:
InfraBlue wrote:
In regard to retaliatory threats by the Zionists and their lap dog, the US government, Palestinian observer, Riyad Mansour said: "It is really puzzling when you seek justice through a legal approach to be punished for doing so."

The Palestinians are not seeking justice. They have deluded themselves into believing that Israel will be prosecuted for the untrue allegations that the Palestinians concoct.


The UN and various countries have legitimate allegations against the Zionists as well as the Palestinians.

oralloy wrote:
The collapse of the two-state solution means that the Palestinians get nothing at all.

Says you.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 3 Jan, 2015 08:39 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
The UN and various countries have legitimate allegations against the Zionists as well as the Palestinians.

I predict that none of the allegations against the Israelis will turn out to be legitimate.

Well, there is one exception, but it's a minor issue and not worth mentioning.


InfraBlue wrote:
Says you.

The most that the Palestinians will get out of this is unilateral recognition as a state. But Israel will retain full military control over all of Area C, which means that the Palestinian state will be composed of a series of isolated Bantustans.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2015 01:41 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:

Oh, I wouldn't discount the fundamentalist Christians so easily. Christians United for Israel is the largest pro-Israel funding and political group in the US according to Jennifer Rubin in her The Weekly Standard article. Christian Restorationism, what with writers such as George Bush, later to be called Christian Zionism pre-dates the Zionist movement.


You're correct, InfraBlue, I should not "dismiss" this religious group so easily, despite my obvious bias. They are an interest group with political clout. What I should have said was this fundamentalist religious group does not represent the majority of society or a significant swath of popular opinion.

As for Jennifer Rubin, I believe she also writes a right-wing political blob for the Washingtonpost, a digital paper I subscribe to. I read her column once and that was enough to send me running as we are polar opposite regarding the political spectrum. It's surprising to read this Christian Zionist group is the "largest pro-Israel funding and political group in the US according to Jennifer Rubin in her The Weekly Standard article." I had always believed this talent belonged to AIPAC.

Thanks for the info.
revelette2
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2015 02:38 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
I suppose I live in an area where the religious right is strong, the few times I have talked about the Israel/Palestine situation I have heard such things as "it's in the Bible" as a justification for upholding Israel at all cost.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2015 03:41 pm
@revelette2,
Quote:

I suppose I live in an area where the religious right is strong, the few times I have talked about the Israel/Palestine situation I have heard such things as "it's in the Bible" as a justification for upholding Israel at all cost.


Hey, Revelette, I surely understand and in particular areas like the Bible Belt the religious fundamentalists presence is felt more strongly.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2015 07:23 pm
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
The UN and various countries have legitimate allegations against the Zionists as well as the Palestinians.

I predict that none of the allegations against the Israelis will turn out to be legitimate.

The Zionists themselves don't hold this view, what with their tit-for-tat measure of withholding tax revenues from the PA as a convoluted means to "protect ourselves, our state, and Israel Defense Forces officers and soldiers", according to a Likud minister.


InfraBlue wrote:
Says you.

The most that the Palestinians will get out of this is unilateral recognition as a state. But Israel will retain full military control over all of Area C, which means that the Palestinian state will be composed of a series of isolated Bantustans.

That's your wish. The international community, including the Zionists' very lapdog, the US, wouldn't stand for that.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2015 09:17 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
That's your wish. The international community, including the Zionists' very lapdog, the US, wouldn't stand for that.

If a Palestinian state is unilaterally created absent negotiations, there will be no land transfers to go along with the creation of the state. The Palestinian state will come into being with whatever land that it already possesses, and nothing more.

The United States very firmly believes in a "land for peace" formula where the Palestinians receive land only in negotiations where they make peace with Israel.

If a Palestinian state composed of Bantustans were to be unilaterally created, the United States would still encourage Israel to engage in peace talks where land would be exchanged for peace, but we would actively protect Israel from any move to force them to give up land outside such peace negotiations.

If peace negotiations were to eventually succeed, this would of course lead to a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders.

But if peace negotiations never succeed, Israel will remain in full military control over all of Area C for the rest of time, leaving the Palestinian state with only the isolated Bantustans that it possessed at the moment that it was unilaterally created.

If the international community finds this unacceptable, they will have the right to support the resumption of peace negotiations, but the US will never allow them to use force against Israel.

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It isn't, BTW, what I wish for.

I used to support 1967 borders negotiated in peace, but there have just been too many outrages perpetrated by the Palestinians and their supporters.

What I wish for now is for the entire Palestinian population to be transported to Gaza, and for the Gaza Strip to become the sum total of the Palestinian state.

I am against letting the Palestinians keep possession of isolated Bantustans in the West Bank.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Reply Sun 4 Jan, 2015 10:37 pm
@InfraBlue,
You might have seen this article before, InfraBlue, but I am just now discovering it. If you have not read it I am posting it below:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/israel-losing-support-biggest-ally-evangelical-christians.html

Israel Losing Support from Its Biggest Ally: American Evangelical Christians
by WashingtonsBlog

A Shift Among Evangelicals … Especially Among the Young

We documented yesterday that the biggest supporters of Israel are American evangelical Christians … Protestants or – to a lesser extent – Catholics.

But that support base is slipping …

Buzzfeed reported in January:

Figures with deep roots in America’s religious right have launched a quiet effort aimed at pushing evangelical Christians away from decades of growing loyalty to Israel and toward increased solidarity with the Palestinians.

***
The campaign by a coalition of religious leaders, international nonprofits, and activists has taken place in recent years largely behind the scenes and away from the prying eyes of the political press — and it’s being driven by a generation of Evangelicals alienated by the way their faith was yoked to Republican foreign policy during the Bush years. Now, organizations like the Telos Group and the large Christian nonprofit World Vision have joined a small army of ministers and Christian opinion-makers working to reorient Evangelicals’ stance on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict — producing documentaries about the plight of Palestinian Christians, providing theological rationale for a more “balanced” view of the issue, and taking Evangelicals on trips to the Middle East.

***
The campaign has alarmed America’s most committed Christian supporters of Israel, who acknowledge their rivals’ message is gaining momentum within the church.

The Forward noted in March (via Haaretz):

Support for Israel is weakening among evangelical Christians, prompting a new struggle for the hearts and minds of younger members of America’s largest pro-Israel demographic group.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/israel-losing-support-biggest-ally-evangelical-christians.html
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 7 Jan, 2015 06:40 am
Israel’s anti-African dragnet tightens
David Sheen
The Electronic Intifada
31 December 2014
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Israeli police and immigration officers arrest African asylum-seekers near the border with Egypt, 29 June 2014.
(Oren Ziv / ActiveStills)

The past year saw some of the most ruthless Israeli attacks on Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza since the territories were occupied in 1967. Israeli political leaders incited violence against Palestinians and soldiers and civilians carried out these commands, while the government’s parallel war on African refugees raged on.

What follows is the third annual list of racist ringleaders who have championed Israel’s efforts to drive all non-Jewish African asylum-seekers — a community of 50,000 men, women and children — out of the country and back to the tortures from which they fled in sub-Saharan Africa.
10. Charlie Biton

The year 2014 began with massive protests by asylum-seekers in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, demanding an end to the government’s war on Africans. Tens of thousands of Africans went on strike, hobbling many of the Tel Aviv restaurants that profit off of cheap and easy to exploit African labor.

The diverse asylum-seeker communities united and mobilized and marched in the streets, demonstrating in front of Tel Aviv City Hall, the Knesset (Israel’s parliament) in Jerusalem, the prime minister’s office, and various international embassies. For the first time, the voices of African asylum-seekers in Israel were being heard.
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Tens of thousands of African asylum-seekers rally in Tel Aviv for the release of refugees imprisoned by Israel on 5 January 2014.
(Yotam Ronen / ActiveStills)

Activists opposed to the presence of Africans did not wait for the end of the short-lived protest movement to register their response. While protests were ongoing, right-wingers rallied in central Tel Aviv on 15 January to demand that the government take an even harsher tack with the asylum-seekers, which I documented on video.

Predictably, figures like Shimon Ohayon, the far-right Member of Knesset from the Yisrael Beiteinu party, and Matan Peleg, the leader of the hardline Zionist group Im Tirtzu, riled up the crowd of demonstrators. But another speaker at the rally surprised some, due to his former leftist credentials: Charlie Biton, ex-Member of Knesset for the communist Hadash Party.

Biton is famous for being one of the founding members of the Israeli Black Panthers, a group who took inspiration from the American group of the same name and fought for the rights of Jews from Arab lands who were treated unequally by the Zionist leadership, which was mainly composed of Jews of European origin. The group was established in the 1970s and is credited with being among the first to challenge intra-ethnic inequalities amongst Israel’s Jewish population.

On 7 January 2014, another founder of the Black Panthers, Reuven Abergel, publicly spoke out in support of the asylum-seekers’ struggle, but a week later Biton took to the stage and traded on his former glory to attack Africans.
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Right-wing Israelis rally against a protest against asylum-seekers organized by Im Tirtzu in Tel Aviv, 15 January. The sign in yellow reads: “Central, yellow sign: An Israeli is attacked by Africans about every 7 minutes!!! The lives of the residents have become hell, and everyone is silent. Where are the human rights organizations?”
(Yotam Ronen / ActiveStills)

To the delight of the audience, Biton, using the popular right-wing slur used against Africans, accused the Israeli media of being biased in favor of the asylum-seekers: “They have a single clear objective: to bring as many infiltrators as possible. Everyone that hates Jews will help them and work with them. They will do everything they can to destroy this country from the inside.”

It is disappointing when Mizrahi Jews, who are themselves often the victims of racism in Israel, make the African asylum-seekers their convenient scapegoats and demand that they be expelled from the country. When a veteran leader of the community who ought to know better does so as well, it is devastating.
9. Yityish Aynaw

As the international media began — at least in some small measure — to take note of the plight of African asylum-seekers in Israel, the state’s professional publicists sought to smother this interest with public relations campaigns that would advertise Israel as the exact opposite of what it is: a haven for black people.

In 2013, a black Jewish woman, Yityish Aynaw, was crowned Miss Israel. Curiously, her win reflected a trend in pop culture contests. In the months that preceded the beauty pageant, the winners of the country’s most popular reality show contests, Kochav Nolad (the Israeli version of the television show American Idol) and Ha’ach HaGadol (the Israeli version of reality game show Big Brother), were also black Jewish women.

Black people make up approximately two percent of Israel’s population, and no black person had ever won any of these Israeli contests prior to this string of victories. The fact that these occurred one right after the other — at the exact moment that the government was conducting a campaign to drive Africans out of the country — is more than a little suspect.

In February 2014, Aynaw was ferried around the United States in an attempt to improve Israel’s image. She allowed herself, and her dark skin and Ethiopian origins, to be held up as supposed proof that Israel is a post-racial society. But she was not content to “black-wash” Israel’s image with her token success story; she also used her newfound fame to specifically smear non-Jewish Africans in Israel.
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Residents of south Tel Aviv and right-wing nationalists call on the government to force African asylum-seekers out of Israel during a rally on 5 October 2014.
(Oren Ziv / ActiveStills)

In an interview she gave to Buzzfeed’s right-wing reporter Rosie Gray, Aynaw trotted out the typical baseless Israeli talking points, saying that a lot of the African asylum-seekers “are not refugees of war.”

Even worse, she went on to echo the rhetoric of Israel’s most racist political agitators, characterizing non-Jewish Africans as savage sexual predators: “There’s actually places in Tel Aviv where you can’t walk around because there’s rape and violence,” Aynaw said.

Israeli police statistics show that the crime rate for Africans is considerably lower than that of the Israeli general public.

Aynaw’s tenure as Israeli beauty queen has since elapsed, but her face — and body — continue to be featured prominently in pro-Israel propaganda.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 7 Jan, 2015 06:41 am
Still reeling from summer assault, Gaza faces new Israeli threats
Patrick O. Strickland
The Electronic Intifada
Gaza City
27 December 2014
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A destroyed building after it was hit in an Israeli air strike in Rafah, southern Gaza Strip, 9 August.
(Ramadan El-Agha / APA images)

Muhammad al-Gharib says his life was turned upside down when his father and younger sister were killed in an airstrike during Israel’s 51-day offensive on the Gaza Strip this past summer.

Shortly after his father, Baha, 58, and his sister, Ola, 16, stepped out of their home in Rafah on 29 July, they were directly struck by an Israeli missile. “They were only about two hundred meters [218 yards] from the house when they died,” al-Gharib, a first-year university student, told The Electronic Intifada. “We ran outside and couldn’t believe what we saw. They were dead.”

“As the war got really bad during the last days of his life, it was like he knew something bad was going to happen,” al-Gharib said of his father. “He was laughing all the time and joking, but we had a bad feeling.”

Amid a summer of soaring tensions and frequent clashes in the occupied West Bank, including East Jerusalem, Israel launched its third major military operation in Gaza in the last six years.

Armed Palestinian factions fired rockets into southern and central Israel, while Israeli forces attacked the blockaded coastal enclave from air, land and sea.

Home to an estimated 1.8 million Palestinians, Gaza endured unprecedented destruction. Unlike during the 2012 attacks, the last full-scale assault on Gaza, Israel launched a ground invasion that devastated the Strip, particularly in areas bordering the south of present-day Israel.
Mass displacement

The United Nations monitoring group OCHA estimates that 2,257 Palestinians were killed as a result of the fighting, including 1,563 civilians. Sixty-six Israeli soldiers and seven civilians were also killed.

For Palestinians in Gaza, the war meant “a record number of civilian casualties, the devastation of civilian buildings and infrastructure, and large scale displacement,” according to OCHA. Some 100,000 persons are still displaced, living in schools, shelters or with host families.

On Saturday, 20 December, the day after a rocket fired by Palestinian fighters landed in an empty field in southern Israel, the Israeli military executed its first airstrike on Gaza since the 26 August truce.

Israeli forces have violated the ceasefire — including regularly firing live ammunition on Palestinians in Gaza — on a nearly daily basis since the truce.

Following the 20 December strike, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel would not ignore “even one rocket launch” by Palestinian fighters.

The Israeli attack reportedly targeted a factory in Khan Younis, the second largest urban area in Gaza. Faced with the threat of new Israeli attacks, local Palestinians like Muhammad al-Gharib are still struggling to cope with the damage and losses of the last war.

His father Baha was one of at least sixteen media workers – fifteen Palestinians and one Italian national – who died during Israel’s deadly attacks, which it dubbed “Operation Protective Edge.”

A fluent speaker of Hebrew, Baha was the Israel affairs manager at Palestine TV. “His work was widely respected,” his son recalled. “People found his insight on Israel and its internal affairs very useful, and many [journalists] relied on his reporting because it was reliable.”

His sister Ola was one of at least 538 children killed during the attacks. Far surpassing the child fatality rate of Israel’s previous military offensives in Gaza, children were killed at a rate of twelve per day, according to the humanitarian organization Save the Children. Another 1,500 are estimated to have been made orphans during the summer assault.
“Appalling”

Brad Parker, attorney and international advocacy officer for Defence for Children International—Palestine, explained that Israel’s attacks in Gaza have consistently been “characterized by a complete disregard of international humanitarian law.”

Explaining that an estimated half of Gaza’s total population is under eighteen years old, Parker described the summer war’s impact on children as “appalling.” He added that it “should not shock anyone given the unprecedented scale of destruction, death and displacement kids in Gaza have been subjected to.”

“Children in Gaza witnessed the killing and maiming of their parents, siblings and other family members, and experienced the systematic destruction of their homes, schools and communities,” he told The Electronic Intifada.
Suffering continues

Although the latest war on Gaza ended with a ceasefire, Parker also warned that the suffering will continue, particularly for children, as long as Israel’s brutal seven-year blockade on Gaza remains intact.

“While widespread military operations have ended, the international community has failed to successfully pressure Israel to lift the blockade, which all but ensures the situation will continue to deteriorate for children in Gaza,” Parker said.

Nearly four months after the summer attacks ended, much of Gaza’s infrastructure still remains in shambles. In cities, towns and villages across the territory, entire neighborhoods are flattened. Due to strict Israeli restrictions and a lack of international action, reconstruction has hardly begun in most places.

At a donors conference after the war, $5.4 billion was pledged for Gaza’s reconstruction, mostly by Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United States and the European Union. Only approximately half of that sum will go to Gaza’s reconstruction; the rest will instead be used to fill gaps in the West Bank-based Palestinian Authority’s budget.

Meanwhile, only two percent of the pledged reconstruction aid has been delivered thus far. “We have received funding and pledges of approximately $100 million for shelter and repair,” said Robert Turner, director of operations for UNRWA, the UN agency for Palestine refugees, Reuters news agency reported.

As a result of the ongoing Israeli blockade, which enjoys the support of the US-backed dictatorship in Egypt, construction supplies, such as steel and concrete, have trickled into the territory in quantities that don’t even come close to meeting Gaza’s immediate needs.

According to the humanitarian aid coordination body Shelter Palestine, the import building materials in November “constituted 13 percent of the October 2013 level, which represents less than 30 percent of the materials imported before the blockade” began back in 2007.

Muhammad al-Gharib says that the buildings and homes can eventually be rebuilt, but the lost lives can never be replaced.

“Every aspect of life is entirely different without my father and sister,” he remarked solemnly. “Every day has become a struggle. It’s so hard.”

Patrick O Strickland is an independent journalist and regular contributor to The Electronic Intifada. Find his reportage at www.postrickland.com. Follow him on Twitter: @P_Strickland_.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 7 Jan, 2015 07:03 am
@Moment-in-Time,
"Slavish devotion" accurately describes the US attitude towards Israel.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 7 Jan, 2015 07:20 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Its a weird disconnect these fundamentalists possess. They believe the re-establishment of the Temple will usher in the Second Coming. There own Bibles say that David couldn't build the Temple because of the blood on his hand and Solomon built it. Who in Israeli leadership doesn't have blood on their hands?

While they want the Temple rebuilt they go about it like its a magic scavenger hunt, like G*d will bring on the Millennium if we set up the Rube Goldberg device to start it, and at the same time they are suspicious of the "ZOG", world bankers, the Jewish/Communist conspiracy, and they'd be none too happy with either Jews or Synagogues in their neighborhoods.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 7 Jan, 2015 03:03 pm
The UN has accepted a bid by the state of Palestine to join the International Criminal Court. This will allow the court to open up cases on crimes committed in the Palestinian territories as of April 1.
InfraBlue
 
  5  
Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2015 10:45 am
Court to Look Into Possible Israeli War Crimes in Palestinian Territories

Quote:
Prosecutors at the International Criminal Court opened a preliminary examination on Friday of possible war crimes committed in the Palestinian territories, the first formal step that could lead to charges against Israelis.

Palestinian officials welcomed the announcement of the inquiry by the court’s chief prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, who described it as required procedure. Israeli officials reacted furiously, calling it an inflammatory action in the protracted dispute with the Palestinians over Israeli-occupied lands.

...

Her preliminary examination, which could take months or even years, could also lead to charges against Palestinians for violence against Israelis, including the rocket assaults on Israeli civilians from militants based in Gaza.

...

In a statement released on Friday night, Jeff Rathke, a State Department spokesman, said: “We strongly disagree with the I.C.C. prosecutor’s action today. As we have said repeatedly, we do not believe that Palestine is a state and therefore we do not believe that it is eligible to join the I.C.C. It is a tragic irony that Israel, which has withstood thousands of terrorist rockets fired at its civilians and its neighborhoods, is now being scrutinized by the I.C.C.”


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The US is out of step with the rest of the world in its "belief" that Palestine isn't a state, contrary to it's status as an non-member observer state of the UN.

The US government, in its psychotic denial, cannot think straight either, apparently believing that rocket attacks void scrutiny by the ICC.

There isn't anything more dangerous than an ethological alpha with psychological issues.
oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2015 01:35 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:
Court to Look Into Possible Israeli War Crimes in Palestinian Territories

Dramatically misleading headline, given the reality that the only charges that are likely to come out of this, are charges against Palestinians. A much better headline would be neutral and not mention either Israel or the Palestinians.


InfraBlue wrote:
The US is out of step with the rest of the world in its "belief" that Palestine isn't a state, contrary to it's status as an non-member observer state of the UN.

Don't be so sure about that.

France, who supported the Palestinians in their recent failed vote at the UN, subsequently told the Palestinians to tone it down and get back to negotiations with Israel.

The nice thing about this whole unilateral statehood thing is, Israel is going to be protected from having to give up any land outside the negotiating process. So if the Palestinians never again negotiate, and just unilaterally declare themselves a state, that state will be composed only of isolated Bantustans while Israel retains full military control over all of Area C.


InfraBlue wrote:
The US government, in its psychotic denial, cannot think straight either, apparently believing that rocket attacks void scrutiny by the ICC.

Oh please. Psychotic?!?

And the US was not saying that the rocket attacks would void scrutiny. They were just noting the fact that the rocket attacks are the only actual war crimes here.


InfraBlue wrote:
There isn't anything more dangerous than an ethological alpha with psychological issues.

We do of course have a sizable nuclear arsenal that we are willing to use in defense of Israel if ever necessary.
Walter Hinteler
 
  4  
Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2015 09:55 am
Not only Palestines ...

Quote:
Israel restricted the number of Palestinians who could work in the country in 1993, which left an employment hole for private companies. In response, an agreement between Israel and Thailand was signed in 2012, paving the way for a stream of migrant workers from south-east Asia to travel to Israel. The workers hoped to send money to their families back home.

Quote:
An estimated 122 Thai migrant farm workers have died in the country since 2008, including 43 from a heart condition known as sudden nocturnal death syndrome, according to Israeli newspaper Haaretz. The cause of death of 22 migrants is unknown because, as in Praiwan’s case, the authorities failed to investigate.
Source

Quote:
Khenin says that “it is inconceivable that so many healthy young men die without alarms going off. These numbers call for a thorough investigation which should include looking into working conditions under which these laborers are employed. Foreign workers are also human beings, and their lives and health should be taken seriously.”

In some of the deaths it appears that employers and employment agencies are only too happy to rush and embrace the “sudden nocturnal death syndrome” as a force majeure explanation which cannot be prevented.

Source: Haaretz: 'Mysterious syndrome' claims lives of dozens of Thai farm workers in Israel
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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jan, 2015 12:02 pm
@oralloy,
Quote:
We do of course have a sizable nuclear arsenal that we are willing to use in defense of Israel if ever necessary.


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