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Can you look at this map and say Israel does not systemically appropriate land?

 
 
oralloy
 
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Mon 7 Jul, 2014 07:18 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:
Advocate, the number of Palestinian youth killed will never be known, but you can be sure, the killing of these indigenous people far out number the smaller number of Israeli youth killed.

Let's get our facts straight. The Israelis are the indigenous people. The Palestinians are illegal invaders.

It is proper that more Palestinians are killed. The Palestinians are the aggressors, and the Israelis are merely defending themselves.

When more Palestinians die, that just signifies that the defenses are working well. Ideally all deaths would be Palestinian, and no Israelis at all would be killed.
cicerone imposter
 
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Mon 7 Jul, 2014 07:24 pm
@oralloy,
You are one sick SOB.
RABEL222
 
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Mon 7 Jul, 2014 11:42 pm
@cicerone imposter,
What he is is a lying sick SOB.
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Foofie
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 10:16 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:

Let's get our facts straight. The Israelis are the indigenous people. The Palestinians are illegal invaders.



As I understand the history, the so-called Palestinians heard that the "Zionist" Jews were building up the neighborhood (aka, Israel), and realized they had better get into that "back alley" part of the middle east, before the Jews "take over." In the early 1800's there were far fewer Palestineans in Israel. Who would have thought that Jews would return after two-thousand years. Perhaps, a lesson in the dangers of complacency.
Olivier5
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 10:56 am
@Foofie,
This whole yada yada that the land was deserted is pure propaganda. You should know better than believe that stuff.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 11:36 am
@Olivier5,
About 1840, more Palestinians (15,000) lived in the town of Acre than Jews in all Palestine (between 10,000 and 15,000 depending on whom you believe).
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 12:00 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Here's more history on Acre from Wiki. I had the opportunity to visit Acre on my second visit to Israel.
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Early Islamic era[edit]
Following the defeat of the Byzantine army of Heraclius by the Muslim army of Khalid ibn al-Walid in the Battle of Yarmouk, and the capitulation of the Christian city of Jerusalem to the Caliph Umar, Acre came under the rule of the Rashidun Caliphate beginning in 638.[7] According to the early Muslim chronicler al-Baladhuri, the actual conquest of Acre was led by Shurahbil ibn Hasana, and it likely surrendered without resistance.[13] The Arab conquest brought a revival to the town of Acre, and it served as the main port of Palestine through the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates that followed, and through Crusader rule into the 13th century.[7]

The first Umayyad caliph, Mu'awiyah (r. 661-680), regarded the coastal towns of the Levant as strategically important. Thus, he strengthened Acre's fortifications and settled Persians from other parts of Muslim Syria to inhabit the city. From Acre, which became one of the region's most important dockyards along with Tyre, Mu'awiyah launched an attack against Byzantine-held Cyprus. The Byzantines assaulted the coastal cities in 669, prompting Mu'awiyah to assemble and send shipbuilders and carpenters to Acre. The city would continue to serve as the principal naval base of Jund al-Urdunn ("Military District of Jordan") until the reign of Caliph Hisham ibn Abd al-Malik (723-743), who moved the bulk of the shipyards north to Tyre.[13] Nonetheless, Acre remained militarily significant through the early Abbasid period, with Caliph al-Mutawakkil issuing an order to make Acre into a major naval base in 861, equipping the city with battleships and combat troops.[14]

During the 10th-century, Acre was still part of Jund al-Urdunn.[15] Local Arab geographer al-Muqaddasi visited Acre during the early Fatimid era in 985, describing it as a fortified coastal city with a large mosque possessing a substantial olive grove. Fortifications had been previously built by the autonomous Emir Ibn Tulun of Egypt, who annexed the city in the 870s, and provided relative safety for merchant ships arriving at the city's port. When Persian traveller Nasir Khusraw visited Acre in 1047, he noted that the large Friday mosque was built of marble, located in the centre of the city and just south of it lay the "tomb of the Prophet Salih."[14][16] Khusraw provided a description of the city's size, which roughly translated as having a length of 1.24 kilometres (0.77 miles) and a width of 300 metres (984 feet). This figure indicates that Acre at that time was larger than its current Old City area, most of which was built between the 18th and 19th centuries.[14]
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InfraBlue
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 01:23 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
Who would have thought that Jews would return after two-thousand years.

The Zionist Jews didn't return to Palestine, having originated in Europe. They got silly mythological nationalist notions in their heads and went about usurping Palestine.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 02:42 pm
@InfraBlue,
Quote:

The Zionist Jews didn't return to Palestine, having originated in Europe. They got silly mythological nationalist notions in their heads and went about usurping Palestine.



Touché!
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 03:29 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
Most accurate description of all!
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silly mythological nationalist notions in their heads
oralloy
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 04:32 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
The Zionist Jews didn't return to Palestine, having originated in Europe. They got silly mythological nationalist notions in their heads and went about usurping Palestine.

Nope. The Zionist Jews are the indigenous population of the West Bank area. It's their ancient homeland.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 06:49 pm
@oralloy,
Ancient homeland has no meaning. Most people in this world are immigrants to other lands - where they own homes - legally, and can't get kicked out like the Palestinians who have no legal rights. ISRAEL IS NOT A DEMOCRACY; it's a religious based country that believes in myths to grab ownership of other people's property.
Moment-in-Time
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 07:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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ISRAEL IS NOT A DEMOCRACY


"The Illusion of Shared Values

One of the most widely held and harmful fallacies about the U.S.-Israeli relationship is that the two countries share ideals, democratic structure and respect for human rights. This is a delusion that complicates our quest for peace. Israel is not a democracy. It does not have a constitution. It discriminates broadly on the basis of religion and is harsh and often brutal in its treatment of minorities. It is an exclusionary and expansionist state. For nearly a half century Israeli practice have been repeatedly condemned by the world community as violations of international law. Although these practices contradict American law, the United States, to its great discredit, has usually acted to protect Israel.

"Israel practices as state policy a number of measures that are illegal in the United states and other western countries. These include assassination, kidnapping, expulsion, detention without charges or trial, land confiscation, and collective punishment––not to mention Israel's long-standing practice of espionage against the United states (Jonathan Pollard as one example), its principal benefactor. Moreover, Israel is the only country that officially sanctions torture.

"Prime Ministers Yitzhak Shamir and Menachem Begin, leaders of the two largest Jewish terrorist groups in Palestine before the formation of Israel, never expressed any remorse about their bloody activities. In fact, Shamir went out of his way at the Madrid peace conference in 1991 to say in response to charges about his earlier terrorist days: "I have always said, I always say, I m proud of everything I have done in my past. I do not disown a single step…I am proud of what I have done and I do not owe an accounting to anyone."

"Some years earlier Shamir had told an interviewer: "There are those who kill [an individual] that is terrorism, but an attack on an army camp is guerrilla warfare and to bomb civilians professional warfare. But I think it is the same from the moral point of view….It was more efficient and more moral to go for selected targets."

"Such an attitude has led to Israel's practice of assassinating its enemies. Among the operations that are documented, in the early 1960s Israel carried on a campaign of terror against German scientists working for Egypt, including at least five persons killed by letter bomb. An Egyptian scientist that killed in 1979 while working for Iraq. In 1990 Gerald Vincent Bull, a Canadian artillery expert was killed outside his Brussels apartment after being publicly linked to Iraq's weapons program. Bull was reported to be the victim of Israeli assassins.

"Over the decades Israel has wage an unrelenting assassination campaign against Palestinians belonging to the Palestine Liberation Organization, including the mistaken killing of an Arab waiter in Lillehammer, Norway, in 1973, and the 1991 assassination of the PLO's military chief Khalil Wazir, better known by the nom de guerre Abu Jihad (Father or Struggle), at his home in Tunis.

"Israel's state policy condoning kidnapping has affected U.S. security and cost American lives. The best-known and most recent example of this practice was the 1989 abduction of Shiite Sheikh Abdul Karim Obeid from his home in southern Lebanon. In retaliation, a U.S. hostage held in Lebanon, Marine Lieutenant Colonel William R. Higgins, was hanged by his Shiite Muslim captors.

"After Higgins hanging ,President Bush said publicly: "On Friday, I said that the taking of any hostage was not helpful to the Middle east Peace Process. The brutal and tragic events of today have underscored the validity of that statement. Tonight I wish to go beyond that statement with an urgent call to all-–all––parties who hold hostages in the Middle east, to release them forthwith as a humanitarian gesture to begin to reverse the cycle of violence in that region.

"Israel refused to release Obeid and hundred of other Palestinians held hostage. This provoked criticism from Senate Republican leader Bob Dole, who charge that Israeli actions "endanger American lives." He added that "a little more responsibility on the part of the Israelis one of these days would be refreshing."

"Israel also routinely imposes such barbaric measures as collective punishment, "administrative detention," torture, and expulsion in its attempt to suppress the Palestinian uprising. Book burning is another mark of Israel's occupation. Israel Shahak, an Israeli scholar who survive a Nazi extermination camp and now campaigns for Palestinian rights, reports: "Israeli soldiers enter a Palestinian library, public or private, gather up all the books put them in a pile outside and set them on fire. because they cannot read Arabic, they say them must burn all books, just to make sure the evil ones are destroyed."
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Excerpts from the book "Deliberate Deceptions"
JTT
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 07:22 pm
@Moment-in-Time,
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Although these practices contradict American law, the United States, to its great discredit, has usually acted to protect Israel.


What idiot wrote this? The USA is as bad as Israel in its dealings with the international community, most notably poor third world countries. The USA has no respect for human rights.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 07:34 pm
@JTT,
Hey, JTT, get off your ****'n high horse and drop dead. You asshole! You never contribute anything of significance or worth.
oralloy
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 07:43 pm
@Moment-in-Time,

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Israel is not a democracy.

Yes they are.


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It discriminates broadly on the basis of religion

Israel is a Jewish state. Deal with it.


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is harsh and often brutal in its treatment of minorities. It is an exclusionary and expansionist state.

Balderdash.


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For nearly a half century Israeli practice have been repeatedly condemned by the world community as violations of international law.

Anti-Semites always pretend that they "speak for the world" when they make their hideous false accusations against Israel.


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Although these practices contradict American law, the United States, to its great discredit, has usually acted to protect Israel.

Our support for Israel is a matter of great pride.


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"Israel practices as state policy a number of measures that are illegal in the United states and other western countries. These include assassination, kidnapping, expulsion, detention without charges or trial, land confiscation, and collective punishment

Anti-Semites like making false accusations that Jews are committing horrendous crimes.


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Moreover, Israel is the only country that officially sanctions torture.

Anti-Semites like making false accusations that Jews are committing horrendous crimes.


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"Israel also routinely imposes such barbaric measures as collective punishment, "administrative detention," torture, and expulsion in its attempt to suppress the Palestinian uprising. Book burning is another mark of Israel's occupation. Israel Shahak, an Israeli scholar who survive a Nazi extermination camp and now campaigns for Palestinian rights, reports: "Israeli soldiers enter a Palestinian library, public or private, gather up all the books put them in a pile outside and set them on fire. because they cannot read Arabic, they say them must burn all books, just to make sure the evil ones are destroyed."

Anti-Semites like making false accusations that Jews are committing horrendous crimes.


Moment-in-Time wrote:
Excerpts from the book "Deliberate Deceptions"

You should read something other than blatant anti-Semitism.
cicerone imposter
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 08:07 pm
@oralloy,
@Moment-in-Time,
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Israel is not a democracy.


oral boy,
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Yes they are.


There's no definition on democracy that describes Israel as one!

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de·moc·ra·cy noun \di-ˈmä-krə-sē\
: a form of government in which people choose leaders by voting
: a country ruled by democracy
: an organization or situation in which everyone is treated equally and has equal rights


Don't you even understand the English language?

Does your bigotry really make people like you so stupid?
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stu·pid
ˈst(y)o͞opid/
adjective
1.
lacking intelligence or common sense.
"I was stupid enough to think she was perfect"
synonyms: unintelligent, ignorant, dense, foolish, dull-witted, slow, simpleminded, vacuous, vapid, idiotic, imbecilic, imbecile, obtuse, doltish; More
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JTT
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 08:14 pm
@oralloy,
I don't think you are out of your teens yet, Oralloy. Your responses are so juvenile. Your attention span is that of a brain damaged gnat.
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Moment-in-Time
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 08:24 pm
@cicerone imposter,
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Hey, JTT, get off your ****'n high horse and drop dead. You asshole! You never contribute anything of significance or worth.


The poster, JTT, exhibits all the symptoms of an outpatient; he appear stuck in a rigid mental rut of posting. His forte is criticizing the US unmercifully ad infinitum. He is unable to post anything of substance because that would interfere with his diehard vilification of America.
JTT
 
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Tue 8 Jul, 2014 08:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
You sure are one confused little puppy, CI.

And you lied again about having me on ignore. Are you oralloy's brother?
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