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Bush's newest pardon, and not one member of his staff on the list

 
 
Reply Tue 23 Dec, 2008 05:31 pm
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/23/bush-grants-pardons-commutation/

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With this latest batch of pardons, which includes forgiveness for convictions ranging from gun and drug violations to bank and mail fraud, Bush has granted a total of 191 pardons and nine commutations. That's fewer than half as many as Presidents Clinton or Reagan issued during their two terms.

In addition to Winters, others granted pardons were:

--William Alvis III, of Flushing, Ohio. Possession of an unregistered firearm and cocaine distribution.

--John Allen Aregood of Riviera, Texas. Conspiracy to harbor and transport illegal aliens.

--Eric Charles Blanke of Parker, Colo. Counterfeiting.

--Steve Doyle Cavender of The Villages, Fla. Conspiring to import, possess, distribute and dispense marijuana.

--Marie Elena Eppens of Lynden, Wash. Conspiracy to distribute and to possess with intent to distribute marijuana.

--Lydia Lee Ferguson of Sun City, Ariz. Aiding and abetting possession of stolen mail.

--Eduviges Duvi Gonzalez-Matsumura of Clovis, Calif. Aiding and abetting embezzlement of bank funds.

--George Clarence Greene Jr. of Gray, Ga. Mail fraud.

--James Won Hee Kang of South Barrington, Ill. Trafficking in counterfeit goods.

--Alan Stephen Maiss of Reno, Nev.

--Richard Harold Miller of Tallahassee, Fla. Conspiracy to defraud the United States.

--Delano Abraham Nixon of Neosho Rapids, Kan. Forging the endorsement on a U.S. Treasury check.

--John H. Overholt of Black Hawk, S.D. Concealment of information affecting Social Security benefits.

--Morris Keith Parker of Georgetown, S.C.

--Robert Truman Reece of Redondo Beach, Calif.

--Donald Edward Roessler of Harrison, Ohio. Embezzlement of mail matter.

--Issac Robert Toussie of Brooklyn, N.Y. False statements to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development and mail fraud.

--David Lane Woolsey of St. George, Utah. Aiding and abetting violation of the Archaeological Resources Protection Act.

Bush also commuted the prison sentence of Reed Raymond Prior of Des Moines, Iowa., who was convicted of possession of methamphetamine with intent to distribute.


So, it sure looks like Bush isnt going to pardon any politicians that have been convicted of crimes.
Thats good, they dont deserve pardons IMHO.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2008 07:15 am
This is really interesting...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/24/bush-rescinds-pardon-brooklyn-developer/

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President Bush on Wednesday retracted one of the 19 presidential pardons he granted just before the Christmas holiday.


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A story in the New York Daily News said Toussie's father, Robert, donated $28,500 to the national Republican Party in April. It was his first political donation and came just months before Toussie's pardon petition, the newspaper said.


Theres more to the stroy, but this was part of the reason.
At least, it avoids the appearance of a pardon being "bought" by this guys father.

IMHO, it was the right thing to do.


Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2008 07:57 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

IMHO, it was the right thing to do.


As far as I know, under the Constitution, the president's power to issue pardons is absolute and cannot be overruled - meaning he can forgive anyone he wants, at any time.

I think that it hasn't been very nice for Bush to be forced to withdraw a pardon 24 hours after issuing it.

'It's, at best, embarrassing. At worst, it's an extraordinary example of this White House's ability to bollox up one bit of presidential authority that he clearly has,' as Doug Berman said according to agencies (a law professor at Ohio State University and a close follower of presidential clemency decisions according to media).
mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2008 08:13 am
@Walter Hinteler,
The President can pardon anyone he wants, anytime he wants.
You are correct, his power to pardon is absolute.

According to the story I linked to, the WH did not know about the money that was donated to the RNC by the father.
I think that Bush did the right thing when he rescinded the pardon.
It avoids the appearance of impropriety that would have occurred.
It also avoids the charge that the pardon was "bought" by the father.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2008 08:16 am
@mysteryman,
I don't know enough about it besides that I'd read the original story in that NY tabloid. And what I read yesterday and today.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2008 08:22 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Thats true.
All I know about it is the story I linked to, and thats what I am basing my opinions on.
As more of the story comes out I will revise my opinion accordingly.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2008 08:26 am
@mysteryman,
Well, there are some more (and later published) reports than that report by FOX from yesterday Wink
mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2008 08:30 am
@Walter Hinteler,
I havent seen them yet, so I am basing my opinion solely on that one story.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2008 08:37 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:
As more of the story comes out I will revise my opinion accordingly.


there was more, before and after what you looked at

Stating your opinion based on one opinion piece, well, definitely your decision to go that route.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2008 08:57 am
@ehBeth,
I am looking at some of the other reports about it, and they all say basically the same thing.
Some have a few more details, but I havent seen anything to make me revise my opinion.
I still think Bush did the right thing in rescinding the pardon.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2008 02:13 pm
@mysteryman,
Missing words suggest path to a pardon:
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Those wondering how it came to pass that President George Bush pardoned a businessman on Tuesday and retracted the pardon on Wednesday might find hints to what went wrong by comparing the language in the pardons that preceded them.

Up until last month, virtually every pardon the president had signed took pains to note in the introductory paragraph that, “After considering the applications for executive clemency of the following named persons and a letter from the Department of Justice recommending executive clemency in each case, I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named persons.’’

Close readers of the master warrant that authorized the 14 presidential pardons President Bush signed before Thanksgiving were struck by the omission of three words: “recommending executive clemency.’’

Its introductory paragraph simply states: “After considering the applications for executive clemency of the following named persons and a letter from the Department of Justice in each case, I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named persons.’’

Lawyers familiar with the pardon process say the altered phrasing strongly suggests that at least one of the 14 cases did not receive a favorable recommendation from the Justice Department.

One of the 19 pardons President Bush signed on Tuesday went to Isaac Robert Toussie, a Brooklyn real estate developer who bilked scores of small homeowners. But Mr. Bush on Wednesday reversed his decision to pardon Mr. Toussie, with the White House citing “information that has subsequently come to light.”

The administration has thus far resisted calls to release a copy of the master warrant authorizing the 19 pardons. But a person familiar with its contents said it makes no mention of the Justice Department or its team of vetters. The warrant simply reads, “After considering the applications for executive clemency of the following named persons, I hereby grant full and unconditional pardons to the following named persons.’’

The missing words do not make the pardon less kosher than ones that have the Justice Department’s blessing. The Constitution gives the President absolute power to grant pardons for any reason, with or without the consent of his advisers.

At the same time, longstanding guidelines help the Justice Department cull thousands of requests for presidential pardons received each year. Applicants are expected to pay their debts to society in full, express remorse and wait five years before submitting their requests. The department may then interview judges, prosecutors and others before forwarding the application to the White House with a favorable or unfavorable recommendation.

The ordinary process can take years, and lawyers say it is highly unlikely that the department, facing backlogs, will have time to issue recommendations to the outgoing administration on applications only driving up now " in the absence of special pleading.

“There isn’t enough time for the usual process,’’ said Joseph diGenova, a prominent Washington lawyer who said he has been approached in recent weeks by many wealthy people seeking pardons and wanting his help.

Savvy members of the legal bar know they can still try to get the president’s attention by going straight to the White House, and that was apparently the route taken by advisers to Mr. Toussie and at least one other person pardoned this week.

But Mr. Toussie’s pardon provoked an immediate backlash and ire over his family’s history of political gifts, particularly to Republicans. In reversing itself, a regretful White House said it was pulling the pardon back, at least until the Justice Department’s top pardon attorney had “an opportunity to review’’ the case.

The decision to pull back the pardon could undermine other efforts to bypass the Justice Department and its labyrinth of rules, given how Mr. Toussie’s pardon was found to be defective by the very fact of having averted review by the department.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2008 06:18 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
Walter Hinteler wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

IMHO, it was the right thing to do.


As far as I know, under the Constitution, the president's power to issue pardons is absolute and cannot be overruled - meaning he can forgive anyone he wants, at any time.

I think that it hasn't been very nice for Bush to be forced to withdraw a pardon 24 hours after issuing it.

'It's, at best, embarrassing. At worst, it's an extraordinary example of this White House's ability to bollox up one bit of presidential authority that he clearly has,' as Doug Berman said according to agencies (a law professor at Ohio State University and a close follower of presidential clemency decisions according to media).


The White House realized that they had made a mistake and they fixed it. What's wrong with that?
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