Baldimo
 
Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2008 06:16 pm
Well it appears that the change motto was just that. So far almost everyone that Obama has offered a job to has either been a Clintonista or in federal govt before. Wasn't Bush harassed for pulling the same thing but without the promise for change? How can you have change if you get all the inside people back in?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2008 06:19 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Well it appears that the change motto was just that. So far almost everyone that Obama has offered a job to has either been a Clintonista or in federal govt before. Wasn't Bush harassed for pulling the same thing but without the promise for change? How can you have change if you get all the inside people back in?


Where is Obama supposed to find people who have some experience in gov't, on the Dem side, exactly? If you skip those who were under Clinton, you have to go all the way back to Carter.

If he brought in a bunch of people who had never worked in gov't before, you bunch would be bitching all the same...

Cycloptichorn
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2008 06:25 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Isn't that a lame excuse to not have change. Because the Republicans would be bitching. Change was nothing more then a slogan. His whole campaign was about change, not doing things they way they have been done in the past. You know what this does don't you? The next time someone comes along with the slogan they won't be beleived. Change is turning into the boy who cried wolf. It was 2 days after the election when he annoucned his first Clintonista. Why you going to defend the undefendable? I welcome change and some new blood, why not go for the gusto and make change happen?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2008 06:27 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Isn't that a lame excuse to not have change. Because the Republicans would be bitching. Change was nothing more then a slogan. His whole campaign was about change, not doing things they way they have been done in the past. You know what this does don't you? The next time someone comes along with the slogan they won't be beleived. Change is turning into the boy who cried wolf. It was 2 days after the election when he annoucned his first Clintonista. Why you going to defend the undefendable? I welcome change and some new blood, why not go for the gusto and make change happen?


Yeah, let's not wait and see what actually happens, I suppose we can pre-judge his whole presidency based on a few cabinet and WH staff picks.

One other point I'd like to make: former experience in the Clinton administration is not a bad thing like you Republicans would like to make out. I don't agree with everything Clinton did, but these people were neither incompetent nor evil. It makes no sense to have an ambitious and far-reaching agenda, and then surround yourself with people who have no ability to enact that agenda at all.

It's reported that Obama will likely keep Sec. Gates on at defense; you going to bitch that this isn't 'change' either? Let us judge his actions and not his choice of the hired help.

Cycloptichorn
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2008 06:33 pm
Nobama. Keep the change.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sat 22 Nov, 2008 08:34 am
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Well it appears that the change motto was just that. So far almost everyone that Obama has offered a job to has either been a Clintonista or in federal govt before.


Yeah, it was all a clever sales pitch crafted to convince the dumbmasses to vote for him and they blindly went for it.

The only change O boy and his administration will deliver are wholesale changes for the worse across America.
rabel22
 
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Reply Sat 22 Nov, 2008 07:38 pm
@H2O MAN,
Hey! It worked for Bush for two terms. Why wouldent Obama work the citizens useing a program that worked for Bush.
Foofie
 
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Reply Sat 22 Nov, 2008 08:20 pm
"Change" need not reflect who he chooses to be in his Cabinet. "Change," I thought, mostly had to do with how the country focusses its efforts. He did make some specific statements about this or that. Remember, only Superman can change the course of a river.

Regardless of any changes that are made, I think the unanswered question is whether the Republicans can rebuild the conservative movement to make working class people identify with the Republicans ala Reagan?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2008 02:05 am
@Cycloptichorn,
Apologist thy name is Cyclo.

Is there no incongruity that you cannot rationalize?

Since Obama ran against a Clinton chanting a mantra of CHANGE, it is hardly unreasonable that some might question this mantra based upon his present intended reliance on Clintonistas.

Heaven forbid that anyone surmise that the following is an endorsement of Jimmy Carter's presidency, but clearly, his mantra (albeit no so publicly declared) was every bit as much about CHANGE as Obama's, and he actually made good on his promise.

His administration was not overwhelmed by Democratic hacks from the Johnson days.

Arguably, Carter's desire to bring fresh blood to DC was a cause of his presidency's failure, but at least he remained true to his vision and declarations.

Obama apologists, not surprisingly, fail to address the issue head on.

There are plenty of creative, skilled and intelligent people who Obama might call into service. Does anyone really believe that the Clintons exhausted, during their reign, the pool of left leaning Knights Templar, and that no new lefty wunderkinds have risen to the top since 2000?

Smartly, or otherwise, Obama has decided not to follow Jimmy Carter's lead and to surround himself with folks who have been in the (Clintonian) trenches.

Nothing at all wrong with this, but it does fly in the face of the CHANGE mantra, and it is pretty pathetic to see his supporters attempt to explain why the two diametrically opposed actions can be reconciled.


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cjhsa
 
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Reply Sun 23 Nov, 2008 07:10 am
The Berzerkely entrance exams are designed to weed out free thinkers and promote those that can be easily molded to fit their ultra left wing agenda. Ward Connerly spoke out vehemently against Cal's admissions policies as well as Afirmative Action. He's probably the most hated "Bear" because of it.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2008 06:02 pm
@rabel22,
Obama is Bush and Bush didn't run on a campaign of change. Obama was the agent for change and not more of the same. We should have known when he chose Biden for his VP that "CHANGE" was a slogan and not a way to be president. If he was so much for change why did he pick some old rich white man? Once again more of the same!
Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2008 06:15 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
If he was so much for change why did he pick some old rich white man?


When you are trying to become the very first president in history who is not a middle-aged or older white man, and white men are still associated in the public mind with leadership and power, would you advise him to do anything else? Seriously.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2008 06:23 pm


The only change I can detect thus far is that O boy's New Deal is going to cost this country everything.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2008 06:27 pm
Actually, I'm quite relieved that he is relying on former members of the Triangulation Tribe.

It's an encouraging sign that he is more concerned with governing in a manner that will ensure him a second term than in advancing an ultra-liberal agenda.

I'm not about to criticize him for pragmatism.

Wait until he announces that he is going to wait two years and allow the Bush tax cut to simply expire.

Wait until he appoints Gates to Secretary of Defense.

Wait until he announces his plan to leave a sizeable troop presence in Iraq until 2012.

Wait until he announces his plan to increase troop strenght in Afghanistan.

Wait until he demonstrates that he places America's economic health over the environmental health of the earth.

Ideology has a way of shrinking before the massive responsibilty of governing a nation, and the fervent desire to govern that nation for more tha a single term.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 24 Nov, 2008 06:29 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,




Wait until he raises taxes and increases spending.

The future is dark, take off your shades.

Hey, I like that!
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