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The War on Christmas.

 
 
ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 21 Nov, 2008 08:02 pm
@Green Witch,
http://www.care2.com/send/card/6528

Cool


(click to play, lower right of card)
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 22 Nov, 2008 03:44 pm
@Diest TKO,
Christmas is about business and not religion. How silly; religion is commerce. LOL
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2008 08:11 am
I didn't know how the angel on top of the tree (I put a bow for no particular reason) got started. One thing is for sure, this site is good for stirring up trivia curiosity.

Quote:
In the Christmas story, angels sang on high to announce the birth of Jesus.


The fairy at the top of the Christmas tree was originally a little figure of the baby Jesus. In late seventeenth century Germany this became a shining angel. Windsor Castle's Christmas trees were topped by a large angel.
In Victorian Britain, little girls would take the angel down after Christmas and dress him in dolls' clothes. Eventually the angel turned into a thoroughly female fairy, complete with wand.
The transformation was boosted by the pantomimes that became popular in the Victorian era - and, naturally, included a good fairy in the cast.

The Angles hung on the trees, represent the Angels who heralded the Birth of the Messiah. The Star, which forms one of the most important ornaments of the Christmas Tree, indicates the guiding star which led the Shepherds and Kings to the new born Jesus Christ.

source

I personally think in public situations where you have all kinds of people of different faiths or no faiths, it is just more polite to use the more inclusive term of happy holidays.

H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2008 09:26 am
@revel,

Let me put it this way...




Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 28 Nov, 2008 09:28 am
@H2O MAN,
Have a nice time, H2 Man, and perhaps we see you again in 2009!
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 02:08 am
@revel,
Quote:
The Angles hung on the trees


And what did they do with the Saxons?




Curiously, the introduction of the Christmas Tree (via Prince Albert the Good) is a throwback to the pagan origins of the Germanic peoples who were somewhat reluctantly converted to christianity. I suspect that plenty of missionaries in the 7th and 8th Century found themselves hung up on trees awaiting Christ. Mostly coz the locals had slit their throats. My mother's ancestors were the last pagan hold-outs in mainland Europe - see what a diet of rye bread and salt fish will do for you.
dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 02:44 am
@Mr Stillwater,
Mr Stillwater wrote:

Quote:
The Angles hung on the trees


And what did they do with the Saxons?


Throw them to the Jutes.
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 04:44 am
@revel,
Is it possible there's someone here who hasn't heard the real story of why some people put an angel on the top of the tree?

One Christmas Eve Santa Claus came back to his humble abode at the North Pole in a vile temper. "I've had it with Christmas," he stormed. "The weather's miserable out there, the reindeer were pains in the arse the whole trip. I'm all sooty from going down all those damned chimneys. I've had it. I don't want to see another decorated fir tree or a box with a ribbon on it for at least another year."

He sank down in his worn leather armchair in front of the hearth with a deep sigh, muttering under his breath.

"There, there," cooed Mrs. Claus and brought him a large eggnog, liberally laced with Cuban rum. He sipped it appreciatively and slowly began to relax. Of a sudden, there was a knock on the door.

Mrs. Claus, in the kitchen, said, "Would you get that, dear? I'm busy."

So un-jolly Old Saint Nick got to his feet with another deep sigh and trudged to the door.

Standing there, in the snow, was a little angel, dragging an already bedraggled Christmas tree. "Sorry to disturn you, St. Nick, and a very merry Christmas. But I've got this problem. An elf gave me this Christmas tree and I don't know what to do with it. What should I do with it."

So Santa told the angel what to do with it.

And that's why it's traditional to stick an angel on top of the tree.
revel
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 08:48 am
@Merry Andrew,
I read that story in my search to find the origin of the angel topper--for the first time. Sometimes around here I feel really out of it in terms of things most people already have heard or know.

Anyway, speaking of war on Christmas, there were a few kinds of violent happenings on Friday the day after thanks giving.


Quote:
The traditional post-Thanksgiving start of the holiday shopping season provides shoppers with many sales, deals and bargains that have some people willing to wake up at 2 a.m. in order to be first in line at stores that open as early at 4 a.m.

But while the tradition of Black Friday centers around holiday shopping and bargain hunting, there have been incidents of violence.

A Wal-Mart employee in a suburban Long Island store was trampled to death Friday after a crowd of shoppers burst through the doors and knocked him down.

In Palm Desert, two men shot each other to death in a Toys R Us store.

Although the shooting in Palm Desert is being reported as having nothing to do with a shopping-related disagreement, there are stories of shouting, shoving and even fighting between shoppers over a specific item.




source

Last year I woke up at four in the morning to go to Wal-mart the day after thanks giving, it was a mad house and there was really nothing on sale (besides moon sand) in which i knew my granddaughter would like. I stayed home and slept late this time and I don't regret it all. (I did however, shop a little on line later in the day, don't know if the sales were only early on line, but didn't find much on sale...)
ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 09:31 am
@Foofie,
Quote:

Foofie - I think your idea that 21st century little girls might want to convert because of a cute baby Jesus is just laughable, but very creative. Well, maybe if he comes with his own stylish wardrobe and electric guitar some young girls might consider it.


The Christmas story sets a horrible example for teen girls.

There are far too many unwed teen pregnancies already.
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 11:58 am
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:

Quote:

Foofie - I think your idea that 21st century little girls might want to convert because of a cute baby Jesus is just laughable, but very creative. Well, maybe if he comes with his own stylish wardrobe and electric guitar some young girls might consider it.


The Christmas story sets a horrible example for teen girls.

There are far too many unwed teen pregnancies already.



I thought Joseph was married to Mary? What are you making reference to?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 01:14 pm
@Foofie,
Unfortunately, somebody else got into Mary's panties before Joseph.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 01:16 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Unfortunately, somebody else got into Mary's panties before Joseph.


Yeah, that always seemed a little too pat for me.

Cycloptichorn
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 05:59 pm
@Foofie,
Actually according to the account in the bible, the only place where one would know about Jesus, Joseph and Mary were espoused, not married, he was going to quietly "put her away" (divorce) her before the angel came and told Joseph the baby Mary carried came from the power of the Holy Ghost. So technically, no one got into Mary panties even if there were panties back then, which of course there were not.

I can understand people not believing in the Bible or any other religion; but I think there can be a little respect given toward others religious beliefs, whether it is Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Wicca...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 06:17 pm
@revel,
revel, I don't believe in a virgin birth; that's about as fictitious as they come for any religion to believe in. I'm showing respect - of my ethics, and for those who can understand that man-made religion is not based on facts. You can believe that this planet is only 7,000 years old, but I don't. You can also believe in the world flood, but I don't.

"Religious belief" has to have some basis in reality; it just doesn't have any.

Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 07:35 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Exactly what is reality, C.I.? Does anything really exist outside of our minds? Would you have ever thought of cloning as being a reality? Did man actually land on the moon? Was there actually a big bang to go with the theory? Does the fact that you don't believe something make it real?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 07:42 pm
@Intrepid,
The reality I talk about has to do with what we perceive to have evidence of their existence as we see it. If you want to get philosophical, I'm not interested.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 08:10 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

The reality I talk about has to do with what we perceive to have evidence of their existence as we see it. If you want to get philosophical, I'm not interested.


Can't handle it, huh?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 08:35 pm
@Intrepid,
You got that right! Why don't you try the Philosophy treads.
Intrepid
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 10:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I'm still trying to figure out why you hang around the religeous threads. Maybe there is hope afterall.
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