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Obama Election and impact on racism in America

 
 
Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2008 07:24 am
First, my congrats to Obama and his supporters on A2K...good fight, well won and my prayers and best wishes for a successful (but moderate) presidency.

Now, I'm curious on your thoughts as to this election's impact on racism. Would certainly seem to blow a lot of holes into theories that there is some kind of widespread lingering institutional racism in the US that is holding back opportunities available to minorities.

Certainly racism still exists, but I'd argue that it's relegated to pockets across the country but for the greater American population, a corner has clearly been turned. Perhaps an argument could even be made now that racism is more prevalent in minority communities than white. Actually I think the corner turned several decades ago, but I wonder if this singular event in American history will lessen the provocative and stereotypical comments of black activists like Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan, Rev Jeremiah Wright, and Jesse Jackson. Unfortunately I have my doubts and instead suspect this may just intensify their rhetoric in attempts to use their new Government influence to greatly expand racially-based legislation.
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2008 07:32 am
@slkshock7,
slkshock7 wrote:

...widespread lingering institutional racism in the US that is holding back opportunities available to minorities.


So, how do you explain Harvard University's "holistic affirmative action program", then?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2008 07:40 am
@slkshock7,
First, racism is real.
Second, racism happens today.
Third, racism is unfair and hurts real people.

Yes, you are right. Our society has come a long way. Obama is not just a political victory, it is a victory for America in general that we have come this far.

But, to deny that racism exists... or to pretend that it is no longer a problem is nonsense.

The biggest victims of racism now are Arab-Americans. Colin Powell gave a very touching speech about a fallen Muslim soldier who fought bravely for his country and yours. Yet, the idea that a Muslim could be elected president is out of the question-- in fact rumors that Obama might possibly be Muslim nearly derailed his campaign.

There is no question that racism infects our political discourse. Look at the debate on immigration. There is an argument to be made about rule of law-- but it goes much farther than that. People make up claims about disease and crime that are completely out of touch with the facts. People see Mexican immigrants as an "invasion" and claim that civil rights groups consisting of American citizens are "destroying America".

Not surprisingly there are an increasing number of attacks on Hispanic Americans.

There is racism on a local level. I have an interracial family. My kids have to deal with the fact that they are singled out and followed in stores. This is an awfully uncomfortable thing for a teen aged kid to deal with (although he deals with it with humor).

There are interesting questions about what to do about racism, and I respect arguments against affirmative-action (although I disagree with them). I could support a moderate proposal that focused on poverty rather than race.

But claim that racism no longer is a problem is not good... nor is a knee-jerk opposition to any legislation to make our society a better and more just place for all to live.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2008 07:57 am
@slkshock7,
I think this election will have a very positive influence on lingering racism in all communities. Obama is an excellent roll model for young African American men and boys, as well as men and boys who are just of a foreign nationality. His election reaffirms the promise of America -- that no matter where you come from, if you have the talent and the drive, you can achieve here. It also reaffirms the basic goodness of the American people who mostly, though they might not have voted for him, are giving him a chance and recognize his achievement.

I'll be interested to see what happens in minority communities over the next four years. Poverty is and will remain the greatest discriminator, but if you're poor AND a minority it is probably difficult to discern which is the greater burden. It's difficult to quantify how much something like this can affect people who may feel hopeless, but my sense is that it's huge.
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2008 07:58 am
Obama's impact will be minimal until people stop separating themselves by their "so-called" race.

Until people realize there is only one race of beings on this planet and begin to look at themselves as "AMERICANS", the dim witted will continue their maddening attempt to further divide people by clinging to their Italian-American, African-American, (fill in the blank)- American nonsense.

Try this folks. If you were born in America, how about calling yourselves Native American. I won't mind!
ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2008 08:07 am
@Woiyo9,
Well Woiyo,

You are opposed to racial profiling then?
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Thu 6 Nov, 2008 08:30 am
@ebrown p,
I oppose being asked such stupid questions by you which are unrelated to the topic.

If you have the ability, try to read my prior post very carefully. I think you will find your answer.
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slkshock7
 
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Reply Fri 7 Nov, 2008 08:23 am
A surprising and somewhat depressing assessment of the subject from a conservative black woman...
La Shawn Barber wrote:
Author Shelby Steele, with whom I shared a discussion panel several years ago, writes about Barack Obama’s delusional “post-racial promise.”

After Obama’s speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, people at my former day job were aglow. (See Barack Obama Goes to Boston) My boss in particular went on and on about this “young man” and his eloquent speech. I told him I hadn’t watched the convention but couldn’t wait to find out what everyone was gushing about. I read the speech and found nothing remarkable about it.

Young, black, and possessed of so-called charisma, Obama was fresh and new. His rhetoric was tired and devoid of substance, but he symbolized a racial idealism, as Steele notes. My co-workers, black and white, were excited about the “articulate” Obama’s potential. It was the idea of him rather than what he said that got people excited. My boss, who was white, could barely contain himself.

It’s safe to say my sixtysomething former boss proudly voted for Barack Obama on Tuesday. No doubt he bought into the “post-racial promise,” the idea that Americans have moved beyond race, and a vote for Obama proves it. For white liberal types, failing to support Obama implies a failure to embrace this ideal.

I read quite a few music and book author blogs, and some are run by Obama-supporting liberals. I can almost see them patting themselves on the back as they try to convince themselves race means nothing, and Obama’s presidency signals the beginning a new era of diversity, tolerance, blah, blah, blah. But they’ve got it twisted. Voting for Obama because he represents some post-racial ideal is to inject race into the equation.

“When whites " especially today’s younger generation " proudly support Obama for his post-racialism, they unwittingly embrace race as their primary motivation,” Steel writes. “They think and act racially, not post-racially. The point is that a post-racial society is a bargainer’s ploy: It seduces whites with a vision of their racial innocence precisely to coerce them into acting out of a racial motivation. A real post-racialist could not be bargained with and would not care about displaying or documenting his racial innocence. Such a person would evaluate Obama politically rather than culturally.”

It the end, it doesn’t matter why white people voted for Obama. He’s the leader of the free world now (shudder). Who I am to interfere with their “I voted for a black man because I don’t care about race” back-patting?

Steele asks what Obama’s election means to blacks. Well, I doubt it will do anything to decrease illegitimacy among blacks (70 percent; as high as 80 percent in some urban areas), or decrease child killing, or strengthen families and communities, or much of anything. It’s a proud moment for many blacks, to be sure, but having a black man in the White House will not motivate black Americans to wait until marriage to have babies, to stop killing their babies (and at three times the rate of white women), or to stop uttering the word racism whenever they don’t get their way.

Of course, Obama never promised that his presidency would have any effect on these things.

As long as families (the foundation of society) are in shambles, conditions won’t improve much. But with Obama in office, white liberals can feel good about themselves and blacks can feel proud, fatherless children and dead babies be damned.


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