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Doesn't hating "main-stream media" mark you as one on the fringe?

 
 
DrewDad
 
Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 10:11 am
Well?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 10:13 am
@DrewDad,
Hating, probably.

I'm skeptical of the mainstream media though... I see bias of various types all the time. I get my news from a variety of sources for that reason.
cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 10:14 am
@DrewDad,
Disenfranchised perhaps, but not fringe.

Ever watch CNN talk about the upcoming election with a "panel of experts" and they're all flaming liberals? Hell, hate FOX if you want but they at least always give airtime to the enemy.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 10:27 am
@cjhsa,
You make my point. You're viewpoint is rather far right. (Or perhaps hyper-partisan would be a better phrase.)

To you, nearly everyone is a "flaming liberal." You're so far out of main stream that the stream is a dot to you.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 10:29 am
@sozobe,
Doubt is an admirable quality. But skepticism is not the same as someone who just doesn't listen to anything that challenges their pre-conceived notions.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 10:31 am
@DrewDad,
Depends on what you mean by "mainstream media". I myself come pretty close to hating all the major TV networks in America. Liberal or conservative, their research is sloppy, their political discourse has sunk to the level of gossip, and their air time is wasted on superficial, self-absorbed talking heads. If people think these networks are a national disgrace, maybe it isn't because the people belong to the idiot fringe. Maybe it's because the networks are a disgrace.

Newspapers are another matter. In my opinion, the liberal New York Times, the conservative Wall Street Journal, and the agnostic USA Today are all superb, for example.
DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 10:35 am
@Thomas,
I'll agree with you about "news" on television. It has become nothing more than a ratings competition.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 10:36 am
@DrewDad,
Hardly, I am the mainstream. You're the one out of touch.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 10:44 am
no, it marks me as a person who actually realizes the place of the mainstream media in our current society, viz., that of a private instrument for shaping public consent for the benefit of an economic oligarchy.

The mainstream media is simply the way that conventional wisdom is broadcast akin to advertising. The product that is being sold is a form of reality.

Quote:
“The major media are large corporations, owned by and interlinked with even larger corporations, they sell a product to a market. The product they sell is the popular viewer, their customers are the corporations that buy advertising, and the picture of the world represented reflects the narrow and biased interests and values of the sellers, the buyers, and the product. Profits and the issues drive the media and items reported are for the financial benefit of the companies that own these enterprises. The fact that the posing of the information delivered is not for the benefit of the people, as we would define the presses role is obvious. No issues will be debated or given much play that make the audience, advertisers or press them uncomfortable, regardless of its value to the nation and its people.”

DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 10:47 am
@kuvasz,
I have a hard time buying the idea that everything on TV is a conspiracy to keep our corporate overlords in place.
sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 10:53 am
@Thomas,
The NYT pisses me off regularly, too.

It's still the only paper I have delivered. I think it's one of the best. But I frequently (usually at least once a day) scowl at biased or sloppy reporting there, too.
Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 10:58 am
@sozobe,
That's the difference though. You can reasonably expect quality from the New York Times, and can reasonably be disappointed when they don't deliver it. By contrast, there's just no point being disappointed in ABCNBCCBSCNNFOX anymore.

And who knew you're farther on the fringe than I am? Smile
sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 11:15 am
@Thomas,
Thomas wrote:
By contrast, there's just no point being disappointed in ABCNBCCBSCNNFOX anymore.


Good point.

I never really watch those though anyway... CNN is about it. They also piss me off pretty regularly.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 11:29 am
@Thomas,
yesterday, the Lady Diane cut and pasted into an email to me from The Nation (a left wing rag that I occasionally agree with), the article she sent me was so full of misleading innuendo and just plain shoddy journalism that the Lady and I took it line by line eventually disregarding every item in the article.
Thomas
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 11:32 am
@dyslexia,
It's a sad statement about the land of Benjamin Franklin, but the only good news service in America seems to be BBC -- and NPR/PBS, which rely heavily on BBC, too.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 11:40 am
When Kennedy was in the White House,
I hated his leftist,
soft on communism approach, with a passion.

That hatred was hard on me.

Its not worth the emotional investment.

I oppose hatred.
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kuvasz
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 11:50 am
@DrewDad,
you don't need to broadcast blatant propaganda to convince people of something if the same perspective is reinforced elswhere.

as an example, in 2002- 2003 phil donaghue was the highest rated show on MSNBC, yet he was canceled. i think it was because that only his show was pronouncedly against the war in iraq, and the people who ran NBC, say General Electric were making a lot of money in the war. likewise with ABC not runniong negative repoerts on diseney or again, not having NBC investigating nuclear power due to General Electric's position in that particular business.

its the self-censorship that causes the concern
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Mon 3 Nov, 2008 02:05 pm
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

Well?


the networks are sloppy. cnn is fairly clean. i admit that msnbc is demo-leaning. and olberman has always been ga-ga over obama. matthews is tough and generally fair in his interviews, even if in only making sure he talks over guests equally. Laughing

david gregory is a total pro as far as i'm concerned.

fox has shepard smith, who i feel is fairly even most of the time. tony snow was excellent. but beyond the continuous parade of eye candy, i don't have much use for anything else about the channel. allan colmes is a hopeless milquetoast, hannity is a pompous and belligerent ass rivaled only by the shameless self promotion of bill o' loofah.

the one source i miss out of all of 'em is ted koppel. the dude was straight on and meticulous in his research and vetting. i know he still does some stuff, but it's just not the same.

guess we'll know more about what the mainstream is on wednesday morning.
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