Prop 8?

@Debra Law,

They don't have any sense of equality or fair play, but they keep telling us they believe in "self-determination." What a bunch of bull ****.

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@Diest TKO,

Diest TKO wrote:

Good point. In you opinion DL, when does this issue really find the nation stage?

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I believe the current composition of the Supreme Court may be rigged to rule against equal protection for same-sex couples. Although our Courts are required to be neutral and unbiased expositors of the law, we have witnesses far too many Supreme Court (5-4) decisions fall along a political divide. I doubt the personal/political/conservative/religious biases of Scalia, Alito, Roberts, and Thomas will allow them to vote in favor of equal protection for gays. All they need is one more vote to become an "oppressive" majority. I don't know how many justices, if any, will retire in the near future, nor do I know if President Obama is inclined to appoint any justices who may lean a little to the left. I don't see the issue going to the "national stage" until its proponents can sense a shift in the winds.

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@Debra Law,

I was referring to legislation.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

They don't have any sense of equality or fair play, but they keep telling us they believe in "self-determination." What a bunch of bull ****.

This is what is so infuriating about those people who identify themselves as "conservatives." They claim to value freedom and individual rights and the constitution and equal protection under the law, and then they race to the ballot box to cast their votes in favor of oppression.

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@Diest TKO,

Diest TKO wrote:

I was referring to legislation.

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This gives me some hope:

THE AGENDA • CIVIL RIGHTS
http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/civil_rights/

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Support for the LGBT Community

"While we have come a long way since the Stonewall riots in 1969, we still have a lot of work to do. Too often, the issue of LGBT rights is exploited by those seeking to divide us. But at its core, this issue is about who we are as Americans. It's about whether this nation is going to live up to its founding promise of equality by treating all its citizens with dignity and respect."
-- Barack Obama, June 1, 2007

Expand Hate Crimes Statutes: In 2004, crimes against LGBT Americans constituted the third-highest category of hate crime reported and made up more than 15 percent of such crimes. President Obama cosponsored legislation that would expand federal jurisdiction to include violent hate crimes perpetrated because of race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, gender identity, or physical disability. As a state senator, President Obama passed tough legislation that made hate crimes and conspiracy to commit them against the law.

Fight Workplace Discrimination: President Obama supports the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, and believes that our anti-discrimination employment laws should be expanded to include sexual orientation and gender identity. While an increasing number of employers have extended benefits to their employees' domestic partners, discrimination based on sexual orientation in the workplace occurs with no federal legal remedy. The President also sponsored legislation in the Illinois State Senate that would ban employment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Support Full Civil Unions and Federal Rights for LGBT Couples: President Obama supports full civil unions that give same-sex couples legal rights and privileges equal to those of married couples. Obama also believes we need to repeal the Defense of Marriage Act and enact legislation that would ensure that the 1,100+ federal legal rights and benefits currently provided on the basis of marital status are extended to same-sex couples in civil unions and other legally-recognized unions. These rights and benefits include the right to assist a loved one in times of emergency, the right to equal health insurance and other employment benefits, and property rights.

Oppose a Constitutional Ban on Same-Sex Marriage: President Obama voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment in 2006 which would have defined marriage as between a man and a woman and prevented judicial extension of marriage-like rights to same-sex or other unmarried couples.

Repeal Don't Ask-Don't Tell: President Obama agrees with former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff John Shalikashvili and other military experts that we need to repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy. The key test for military service should be patriotism, a sense of duty, and a willingness to serve. Discrimination should be prohibited. The U.S. government has spent millions of dollars replacing troops kicked out of the military because of their sexual orientation. Additionally, more than 300 language experts have been fired under this policy, including more than 50 who are fluent in Arabic. The President will work with military leaders to repeal the current policy and ensure it helps accomplish our national defense goals.

Expand Adoption Rights: President Obama believes that we must ensure adoption rights for all couples and individuals, regardless of their sexual orientation. He thinks that a child will benefit from a healthy and loving home, whether the parents are gay or not.

Promote AIDS Prevention: In the first year of his presidency, President Obama will develop and begin to implement a comprehensive national HIV/AIDS strategy that includes all federal agencies. The strategy will be designed to reduce HIV infections, increase access to care and reduce HIV-related health disparities. The President will support common sense approaches including age-appropriate sex education that includes information about contraception, combating infection within our prison population through education and contraception, and distributing contraceptives through our public health system. The President also supports lifting the federal ban on needle exchange, which could dramatically reduce rates of infection among drug users. President Obama has also been willing to confront the stigma -- too often tied to homophobia -- that continues to surround HIV/AIDS.

Empower Women to Prevent HIV/AIDS: In the United States, the percentage of women diagnosed with AIDS has quadrupled over the last 20 years. Today, women account for more than one quarter of all new HIV/AIDS diagnoses. President Obama introduced the Microbicide Development Act, which will accelerate the development of products that empower women in the battle against AIDS. Microbicides are a class of products currently under development that women apply topically to prevent transmission of HIV and other infections.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/civil_rights/

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@Debra Law,

You just gotta love Obama; he's changing the Bush religion with common sense initiatives to provide all citizens with equal rights under the law.

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@cicerone imposter,

If you get married ci. can you get married again without permission?

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@spendius,

It's taking a long time to answer such a simple question.

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@spendius,

What in the world are you talking about?

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@cicerone imposter,

Beats me -- he's gone over the edge. Quite frankly, I think they should take away his key to the asylum library and change the password on the computer.

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@cicerone imposter,

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What in the world are you talking about?

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You just gotta love Obama; he's changing the Bush religion with common sense initiatives to provide all citizens with equal rights under the law.

Why can't married people have the right to get married? They have in Utah I heard.

It's no go wanking your vocal chords off unless you can answer the question. You're floundering again. Equal rights under the law my arse. Why do you draw the line at one on one. Are you squeamish or something?

You're a busted flush ci. Face it like a man. LW is just the same. Like beached whales the both of you.

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@spendius,

Yep, he's gone totally nuts.

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@Lightwizard,

That stuff doesn't wash LW when the scrotal hair is bristling. It's just for babies with talcum powdered bottoms.

Answer the question. Or **** off. You are demeaning the intelligence of A2Kers.

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@spendius,

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Why can't married people have the right to get married? They have in Utah I heard.

You are behind the times, spendi. That's been outlawed long ago.

Read this article: http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy55.html

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@cicerone imposter,

Not only US law, but international law, was brought to bear to bring us Shock and Awe and you were against that.

When you start quoting the law just when it suits you you concede everybody else's right to do the same and that's anarchy.

Polygamy is the natural state of things. Preventing it is seen by many as an infringement of human rights which was what was quoted above to justify one particular behaviour pattern.

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@spendius,

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Polygamy is the natural state of things. Preventing it is seen by many as an infringement of human rights which was what was quoted above to justify one particular behaviour pattern.

Agreed. Also, it is clear that the end game envisioned by these zealots is to allow any two people who want to be married to be married, and to outlaw what are considered the legacies of oppression that are the tittles "husband" and "wife". Unless CI wants to go there he is going to have to draw the line someplace, demand a societal definition of marriage to exclude some people and definitions of marriage that some individuals dream up for themselves. Drawing the line at gay unions makes a lot of sense. Human rights does not equal individual rights, because the best interest of the many outweighs the best interests of the few.

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@hawkeye10,

Granting gays the right to marry doesn't challenge the interests of the many. How could it? Better start stretching.

The only people with anything on the line here are homosexuals. Their rights are held in the balance, not the interests of some faceless majority.

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@hawkeye10,

Whose human rights are you talking about? You're trying to limit other people's rights, and can't see the hypocrisy in your stance.

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hawkeye10 wrote:

Freedom includes the right to be free from societal chaos.

Excuse me, but who told you this was true? No definition of 'freedom' includes the right to never have your worldview challenged by others' thoughts and ideas.

You are of course free to make your own choices in life, but you cannot claim to be a supporter of freedom, while limiting the rights of others to make their own choices, which really don't affect you or the greater society in any way.

On edit, I see you decided to withdraw this foolish post.

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@cicerone imposter,

Humanity is the collective, the best interests of the collective is more important than what is best for you. Human rights was originally based upon the rights of the collective to do what is best for humans, to not be oppressed by a government that is acting in its own best interests which are opposed to the best interests of the collective. It was never supposed to be about the implied right of every person to do what every they want free of social restraint. The collective has rights, and has the right to impose its will upon wayward individuals, by force if necessary. That is what law and finding of insanity are all about. Anarchy is an oppressor of humanity, of human rights. Freedom includes the right to be free from societal chaos. The human rights movement has been co-opted by the anarchists, and now that it has gone bad and works counter to the original intent of the movement it is time to put an end to this nonsense.

Note: I pulled the original post for editing.

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