Prop 8?

see starting page 55 where Thomas Szasz (who was at the scene of the crime) talks about what went down.
http://books.google.com/books?id=tK4eM6ljgd4C&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=homsexuality+disorder+delisting&source=bl&ots=fD11H0plQW&sig=KPmyD9OWhMVXG8DVgbAfvKmzmWo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result#PPA55,M1

Look my friend the APA on this subject have zero creditability they are not a Scientifics organization and have set themselves up by their own words as an advocate for the gay right community.

As far as studies are concern, they went both ways in the era before the APA roll over on the subject.

On this issue, there is also no creditability in the academic community as this is way to must of an emotional hot button issue to allow unbiased research to go forward.

Any researcher who would produce results that did not support the worldview of the gay right movement in any way would be in a world of hurt, as we both know.

The opinion of bigots is unpersuasive
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Thank for helping me prove my point that anyone who would dare to think that homosexual is a disorder is a bigot on it face.

Any researcher who studies would support the idea that homosexualtiy is a disorder is not only wrong he is a bigot.

You can not have science with those limitation in place.

On one hand, we have a group of Psychologists and Psychiatrists, all who studied this, who had to fight to get these inclusive changes made, even amongst themselves; who had access to the scientific studies and heard persuasive arguments both for and against before making their decision.
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The APA has a standing committee with the gay right community!!!!!

A fairly large fraction of it total membership also belong to the APLG!

Yes, I can see how you would view them therefore as an completely unbiased source on the subject<not>.

Oh, concerning the 2005 radio interview you make some comment that it does not matter what his daughter opinion is. What did you mean by that? She did not in the interview express an opinion concerning homosexuals at all that I can remember. All she stated was that he came out to his family as a gay man at his eighty-birthday party.

You right I should move on as it is a waste of time dealing on a hot button subject like this with poeple who have a dog in the race.

Yes you are right and the APA is completely correct in it veiwpoint just as it was completely wrong before 1974.

Thank god that the true had come out,

Starting on page 16 gay activist Lawrence Mass, who was involved in keeping the delisting in place, admits that the delisting effort was primarily a political struggle.
http://books.google.com/books?id=tK4eM6ljgd4C&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=%22judd+marmor%22&source=web&ots=fD11H1hcSU&sig=0cIrU1vjJUypAuTyhxUnANCgzQM&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPP1,M1

Don't pretend you don't have a 'dog in the race.' You do. You want to keep gays from enjoying the same rights as straights. You want it bad enough to post about it online for months in the defense of bigotry and inequality

Judd Marmor, M.D., who served as president of APA in 1975-76, died at UCLA Medical Center in Los Angeles on December 16, 2003. He was 93.

Marmor’s death came 30 years and one day after APA’s Board of Trustees decided to remove homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder from the second edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-II), thanks in large part to Marmor’s efforts. Insisting that there was no evidence that homosexuality was a mental disorder, Marmor took on the difficult and often unpopular task of spearheading the initiative to depathologize sexual attraction among people of the same gender in the leading compendium of psychiatric diagnoses. The success of this initiative turned Marmor into an enduring hero of the gay-rights movement.

Marmor was a prominent Los Angeles psychoanalyst in the 1960s when he began to challenge publicly his colleagues and APA leaders who maintained that homosexuality was an illness rather than a normal variant of sexual behavior. His opposition to classifying homosexuality as a pathology also challenged the views of Sigmund Freud and most of the other leading psychoanalytic theorists. Marmor had tried for many years to use psychoanalytic techniques with patients who came to him to change their sexual orientation, but he saw that it was a futile endeavor.

He said in the book Making History: The Struggle for Gay and Lesbian Equal Rights, 1945-1990 by Eric Marcus that he finally realized that "psychoanalysts didn’t know enough gay people outside the treatment community who were happy with their lives, who were satisfied and well adjusted. . . . If we made our judgments about the mental health of heterosexuals only from the patients we saw in our office, we’d have to assume that all heterosexuals were mentally disturbed."

For years before APA’s 1973 decision, various segments of society routinely turned to APA’s declaration that homosexuality was a psychiatric illness to justify discriminating against homosexuals. With the hope that psychiatrists could cure a disorder once they had diagnosed it, families frequently forced members into "treatment" in the hope that their relative would emerge as a heterosexual.

"It would be ironic," Marmor wrote in his APA campaign statement in 1974, "if we ourselves were impairing the lives and adaptive potentials of people by our labeling methods."

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Don't pretend you don't have a 'dog in the race.' You do. You want to keep gays from enjoying the same rights as straights. You want it bad enough to post about it online for months in the defense of bigotry and inequality

unless you want to argue that murders, child molesters, and rapists are as good as you, don't throw around the assumption that bigotry and inequality are always wrong. It is sometimes wrong, and sometimes right. The burden on you is to convince others that it is wrong in the case of gays. This is not a "give-me", as there are good arguments for why gays should not be equal to the majority.

“ We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Sounds like a reasonable conclusion on Marmor's part, but it speaks about the collective not about homosexuality. When the collective rigorously punished homosexuals being homosexual was a problem, when the collective let up it was much less of a problem. Marmor was wrong in blaiming the previous generations of shrinks for being wrong about homosexuality, had he understood that tolerance had changed homosexuality over time he might have had the good sense to wonder if this tolerance was justified.

Better late than never always say.