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For non-US folk: How would you vote if you could?

 
 
Endymion
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 07:07 pm
@ehBeth,
Hey this post just got longer and longer - sorry about that. Feel free to ignore me- got a bit carried away Smile
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ehBeth, I think you are a Studs Terkel fan?

Have you read his piece on Dennis Kucinich that appeared in The Nation April 18, 2002

I read it recently - it was the first time i came across the word 'discombobulated' - and i was hooked...

Here's a little snippet


Quote:
At the arrival gate of the Chicago-to-Cleveland flight, a skinny kid who appeared no more than 19 or 20 reached out for my torn duffel bag. I thought he was one of those Horatio Alger heroes, whose opening line is usually "Smash your baggage, mister?" This one said, "Did you have a good flight, Studs?" I'll be damned, he was the person I had come to visit, Dennis Kucinich, the Boy Mayor of Cleveland.

He was 32 then, though he could pass as anybody's office boy. As he carried my bag through the corridors of the airport, passers-by called out, "Hello, Mr. Mayor." I was slightly discombobulated, turning around several times to make sure whom they were addressing.


Smile

Quote:
Imagine him in a televised, coast-to-coast debate with Dubya. Blood wouldn't flow, but it would be a knockout in the first round, and we'd have an honest-to-God working-class President for the first time in our history. It's a crazy thought, of course, but it's quite possible, considering the roller-coaster nature of our times.

Since plagiarism is à la mode these days, let me steal the closing passage from the Rev. William Sloane Coffin's invocation at a Yale commencement during the Vietnam War: "Oh God, take our minds and think through them, take our lips and speak through them, take our hearts and set them on fire." I'll add a brief benediction: Kucinich is the man to light the fire. Amen.


It's 5 pages long if you haven't already read it - worth saving for a rainy day

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020506/terkel

Studs Terkel's writing (for me) is an education in it'self, but I'm drawn to Kucinich regardless, because despite growing up in Britain there are similarities in our child-hoods (apart from the family thing) that i recognise

Here's a passage from the article, from DK

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I spent all my time as a youngster coming to understand the experience of the ghetto. It was growing up tough and growing up absurd. I spent a lot of time out on the streets. That's where I got my education. I made friends with all kinds of people, black and white.

My dad's been a truck driver ever since he got out of the service as a Marine. He's gung-ho. His dream was to have all his boys in the Marines. My brother Frank served four years, two and a half in Vietnam. My brother Gary served five years, most of it in Hawaii. My father never questioned authority. His authority was the guy who ran the trucking company.

I've always been taught to respect authority, although I was more independent than the other kids my age. I was constantly getting into squabbles with teachers. I was the first person in my family, on both sides, who ever graduated from college. I love literature. My mother taught me to read when I was 3.

In the late sixties, I didn't go right from high school to college. I worked for two and a half years. When I was 17, I moved on my own and rented an apartment above the steel mills. In the same neighborhood where The Deer Hunter was filmed. The frame house I lived in overlooked the steel mills.


Taking nothing away from Mr Obama, I realise how much i want to see Dennis Kucinich given the chance - the opportunity to see what he can do. Not necessarily just for America. I mean, that he could be the right guy to lead the world towards peace. I feel it, somewhere in my gut.

I admit I also have a minor, and utterly respectful 'crush' on his wife, (but keep it to yourself).

http://letustalk.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/kucinich-and-wife.jpg

Endymion
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 07:35 pm
@hamburger,
I think i get what you mean, Hamburger
thanks

Raimondo has consistently surprised me. On anti-war topics i find him spot on despite the fact that he is a conservative. Strange really.

I do hope he's wrong about Obama - but i agree that (as i see it) Obama is not 'left' like some of the right-wing keep flapping about.

Of course, stood next to McCain and Palin, he is. But left of right isn't left of middle - if you know what i mean

hamburger
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 08:16 pm
@Endymion,
Quote:
But left of right isn't left of middle - if you know what i mean Laughing


no trouble here - but i'm probably from "mars" .
hbg
Endymion
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 08:28 pm
@hamburger,
you too, eh?

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fbaezer
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 08:43 pm
Well, that's one of many curious things about American politics.

In most parts of the world "liberal" is equated with the historic roots of Liberal parties: not openly conservative or reactionary, but nevertheless clearly bourguoise. In the US it means "leftist", as if the ethymology didn't have to do with liberties. And most US "liberals" are effectively liberals, and would be considered centrist or right-of-center in most places.

Gramsci wrote once that, in America, instead of founding political parties they founded new churches. It's maybe in its roots as a nation.
But certainly there is also the factor of the successfull destruction of any attempt of class movements in the first half of the XX Century (the IWW, first; and then the AFL-CIO merger, which turned the working class organizations into mere guilds, not workers' unions).
It's incredible how the derogatory use of the term "socialist" can still have so much weight.

In the US, I'd be considered a "left-wing liberal". In Europe, I'd side most of the time with social-democrats, not with real leftists. I do too, in Mexico, but that is often considered "conservative", "petty" and "right wing" over here, because it's not populist enough.
Endymion
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 08:58 pm
it's very interesting - personally i think there is far too much labeling
i don't know what to call myself politically

(i get called bleedin heart, loony lefty, etc - but i'm not sure that counts)
David called me a pariah -
That f... hurt man...blaaa (not really)

i'm an agnostic working-class humanist - but that doesn't really mean much - it's all just words, after all

i need help (Smile)
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 09:02 pm
@fbaezer,
Zap, I secretly wrote you in, since KS was dead to start.

(is misery done counting yet, I told you my vote might matter over there...)
fbaezer
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 09:14 pm
@Rockhead,
Thanks, moose.
That's what I call loyalty.

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Endymion
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 09:20 pm
@Rockhead,

http://able2know.org/topic/158-425#post-3464347
wow - (i vote for this guy)
Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 09:25 pm
@Endymion,
I love JB, but America got no time for revenge, we have some REAL problems to resolve, and SOON...
Endymion
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 09:30 pm
@Rockhead,
i appreciate that - you're not alone in the world of problems you know
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Endymion
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 09:32 pm
@Rockhead,
nor in the cause of them either
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Endymion
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 09:33 pm
the world is in a pretty fucked up hell of a mess
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Endymion
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 09:36 pm
And i'm not into revenge
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 5 Nov, 2008 09:39 pm
@Endymion,
That's great, Endymion! I'm going to save that link and read the full piece - next piece of weather we get (wait an hour or twelve Wink )
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