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US Troops to Have Mission on US Soil

 
 
Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 01:19 pm
US Troops to have Mission on US Soil

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Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Sep 30, 2008 16:16:12 EDT

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission " with a twist " at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

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Note the correction memo at the bottom of the article pertaining to "Non-lethal crowd control." What the heck does that mean?

Is this an appropriate us of military? How good or bad is this? How much of a change does it signify?
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 01:43 pm
@squinney,
squinney wrote:

Note the correction memo at the bottom of the article pertaining to "Non-lethal crowd control." What the heck does that mean?

Is this an appropriate us of military? How good or bad is this? How much of a change does it signify?


there must be some doubt somewhere, squinney. the page that you linked to "has gone awol".

i'm not sure, but i think there's a law that the regular military isn't allowed to deploy within the borders of the u.s.

but there must be some caveat that allows it for disaster relief; and i think it was regular army that they used when integration first went into effect.

usually this is the kind of stuff that the national guard is supposed to be doing.

but since so many of them are in iraq, kuwait and afghanistan who knows anymore...
engineer
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 01:53 pm
Here's a famous paper, the winner of the 1992 "Strategy Essay Competition" sponsored by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff: "The Origins of the American Military Coup of 2012."

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Authored by Colonel Charles J. Dunlap, Jr., the brief, well documented work is a fictional, "darkly imagined excursion into the future." It is written from the perspective of an imprisoned senior military officer about to be executed for opposing the military takeover of America. Accomplished through "legal" means, the coup is portrayed as the "the outgrowth of trends visible as far back as 1992", including "the massive diversion of military forces to civilian uses", especially law enforcement.
rabel22
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 02:22 pm
@engineer,
A military coup is something I have been worried about since we have developed a professional military. The president is the so called civilian commander of the military. What stops him from calling for a coup if he can convience the generals one is needed. Some of the responders on this site seem to think that owning a hunting rifle is all thats needed for self defence. Lets see how good that rifle is against a tank. I would be more comfortable with an army that consists of citizens who owe the country 2 years of service. I think its called the draft.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 02:40 pm
@squinney,
This may help Squinney.....

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/
These too.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55824
http://mkane.gnn.tv/blogs/27223/Canada_US_Military_civil_unrest_deal_through_NORTHCOM

Put it all together with this......

http://www.dojgov.net/posse_comitatus_act.htm
Diane
 
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Reply Fri 3 Oct, 2008 06:47 pm
@squinney,
Good grief, squinney. Your post has me feeling really creepy, then along comes gelisgesti with those links that almost make me suicidal with the knowledge that the shrub still has a little time left as US pres to do some terminal damage.

Dys and I are too old and too poor to qualify to become Canadian citizens.

Sigh.
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squinney
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 01:11 pm
@Gelisgesti,
Thank you for the corrected link to the Army Times. I thought I had figured out how to put the title in the link, but I guess I did it wrong.

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squinney
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 01:12 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
I think I read somewhere that military (in addition to National Guard) was also used following Katrina. Will have to look that up to make sure.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 01:19 pm
@Gelisgesti,
thanx, gelisgesti. posse comitatus is the law i was thinking of. (duh!). the other links are interesting as well. the homeland security directive is just one more instance of bush wheeling towards a unitary presidency. not a great idea in any circumstance, but giving unending power to a guy like bush is spooky.

rabel22 wrote:

...Some of the responders on this site seem to think that owning a hunting rifle is all thats needed for self defence. Lets see how good that rifle is against a tank...


for real. even if you have an ak or similar assualt rifle or 50 caliber, the military is gonna have a **** load more of 'em.

which is the primary reason you don't want an egomaniacal redneck wanker to have control of everything with no oversight. particularly one who has the religious fervor of a last days variety.

like palin. who by the way believes that she can insist on expanded v.p. powers before she even gets the job. cart? horse? who cares, eh?

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thanx engineer, for the "origins" piece. i'll have to really dig into it. from the quick scan it reminds me of a couple of similar story lines like "the handmaid's tale" and "seven days in may". yipe!

the thing that's so bizarre about a lot of this stuff is that people who call themselves "traditional americans" and "strict constructionists" seem to be the ones who are so actively seeking to override not just the constitution as written, but also to twist up the original intent of the founders.

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squinney
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 01:47 pm
@engineer,
Thanks, Engineer. (I think.)

After reading about half of it I looked up the Katrina Army info I had come across the other day:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2006/02/mil-060202-afps06.htm

Quote:
Military Reorganization Continues After Hurricane Katrina
By Samantha L. Quigley
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, Feb. 2, 2006 " Organizational changes in the military continue in the aftermath of the Hurricane Katrina response, the Army general who was second in command of the military's Katrina task force told the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee here yesterday.

"Under our new organization, you will have defense coordinating officers and their staffs located within the 10 (Federal Emergency Management Agency) regions," said Army Brig. Gen. Mark Graham, deputy commanding general of the 5th U.S. Army.

He said having these officers permanently in place in each of FEMA's regions would allow for better preparation for future events. "We'll have firsthand knowledge of all the local residents at the time," he said.

Graham served as the deputy commander of Joint Task Force Katrina when 5th Army, based at Fort Sam Houston, Texas, was called upon to support hurricane relief efforts.

On Oct. 1, 5th U.S. Army officially became 5th Army/Army North. ARNORTH thus became the Army's component of U.S. Northern Command, which handles homeland defense. By this October, 5th Army/ARNORTH is scheduled to be fully operational in the homeland defense mission as well as reacting to man-made and natural disasters within the country, according to the command's Web site.

It will train to work with FEMA and other governmental agencies to lessen the loss of life and property damage these disasters cause.



The article then goes into details of how they assisted, the good work they did... Kinda like the "Origins" piece above where the Military becomes the good guys and it's "normal" to see them doing these things.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 02:16 pm
@squinney,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqM4tKPDlR8

These guys?
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 02:39 pm
@Gelisgesti,
Gelisgesti wrote:


get the feeling that "jericho" was more than a really good t.v. show ?
squinney
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 03:03 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
According to Wikipedia entry for United State Northern Command, The Military Commissions Act of 2006 nullified the Posse Comitatus Act and HR 5122 (2006) nullified the Insurrection Act.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Northern_Command

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Concerns
USNORTHCOM has become the object of concern among civil libertarians and others that it could be used to implement martial law in the United States during an actual or perceived emergency.[1] The Military Commissions Act of 2006 effectively nullifies most restrictions placed on the military to support civilian administration by the Posse Comitatus Act, while the "John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007" H.R. 5122 (2006) effectively nullifies the limits of the The Insurrection Act [2].

Beginning Oct. 1, 2008, the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team will be assigned to U.S. Northern Command, marking the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to Northern Command. The force will be known for the first year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, and will serve as an on-call federal response force for terrorist attacks and other natural or manmade emergencies and disasters. [3].

DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 03:42 pm
@squinney,
squinney wrote:

According to Wikipedia entry for United State Northern Command, The Military Commissions Act of 2006 nullified the Posse Comitatus Act and HR 5122 (2006) nullified the Insurrection Act.


damn. it's amazing how we aren't hearing anything at all about this kind of thing. must be the liberal media right?

even if, or when, obama takes office, it would probably be good to see some kind of investigation into this stuff and reverse the unconstitutional parts or all of the bills.

i mean that just off the top of my head we can see potential undermining of the first, second, third, fourth, ....

hell, the entire bill of rights with the possible exception of the 7th amendment. you don't have to be a scholar or a s.c. judge to understand it. it's right there in black and white.

"when fascism comes to america it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
squinney
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 03:52 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
Yes, IF Obama takes office that is one of the first things I would hope he would do, but he has not mentioned doing so as far as I have heard. I would imagine an even bigger landslide election if he were to come out saying he was going to undo all of the unconstitutional / freedom restricting stuff Bush did.

This was written just after the signing of the nullifying Acts in 2006 and gives a bit more perspective:

http://www.towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/911/

Who knows, maybe Martial Law is the October Surprise.
DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 04:10 pm
@squinney,
squinney wrote:

Who knows, maybe Martial Law is the October Surprise.


ha! could be. hopefully not... but everybody is standing around waiting for one, me included.

in this instance, i'd be happy to be disappointed...
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sat 4 Oct, 2008 10:09 pm
@squinney,
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5380517

I don't know, could be something like the flu or the economy ... hard to guess
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Sat 11 Oct, 2008 08:23 pm
@squinney,
Squinney, here is a follow up.

"MATTHEW ROTHSCHILD: Well, this gets to what Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont was so concerned about, that with NORTHCOM and with perhaps this unit"and I want to call Senator Leahy’s office today and ask him about this"you have the usurpation of the governor’s role, of the National Guard’s role, and it’s given straight to the Pentagon in some of these instances. And that’s very alarming. And that was alarming to almost every governor, if not every governor, in the country, when Bush tried to do that and around about the Posse Comitatus Act. So, I think these are real concerns.

AMY GOODMAN: Matt Rothschild, the Democratic and Republican conventions were quite amazing displays of force at every level, from the local police on to the state troopers to, well, in the Republican convention, right onto troops just back from Iraq in their Army fatigues. Did this surprise you?

MATTHEW ROTHSCHILD: It did. It surprised me also that NORTHCOM itself was involved in intelligence sharing with local police officers in St. Paul. I mean, what in the world is NORTHCOM doing looking at what some of the protesters are involved in? And you had infiltration up there, too. But what we have going on in this country is we have infiltration and spying that goes on, not only at the"well, all the way from the campus police, practically, Amy, up to the Pentagon and the National Security Agency. We’re becoming a police state here.

AMY GOODMAN: Colonel Michael Boatner, a tall order here, could you respond?

COL. MICHAEL BOATNER: Well, that’s incorrect. We did not participate in any intelligence collection. We were up there in support of the US Secret Service. We provided some explosive ordnance disposal support of the event. But I’d like to go back and say that, again, in terms of"

AMY GOODMAN: Could you explain what their"explain again what was their role there?

COL. MICHAEL BOATNER: They were just doing routine screens and scans of the area in advance of this kind of a vulnerable event. It’s pretty standard support to a national special security event."

Complete interview here.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/7/us_army_denies_unit_will_be
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