OBAMA VERSUS MCCAIN: ARGUMENTS FOR WHO IS BETTER FOR MOST AMERICANS

@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

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FDR wasn't President in 1929. Hoover lost jobs from 1929-1932. FDR took office in 1933.

Thanks for proving my statement was correct.

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Yes, Hoover lost jobs from 1929-1932!
But FDR lost more jobs after 1932.

Thanks for demonstrating your confusion.

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Now can you admit that your statement was silly and misinformed? Or are you planning on proving you are an idiot that wants to ignore facts even when you admit they exist?

Poor feller, you are describing yourself.

Year ---- Number unemployed. --- Number in workforce --- Total employed
1933 --- 12,830,000 --------51,840,000 --------------- 39,010,000

Which year had more unemployed after 1933 when FDR was President? Which year had fewer employed.

Oh.. wait none..
FDR may have lost jobs from 1937-1938 but he still had fewer unemployed those years than in 1933 and increased employment EVERY other year but 1938.

10,390,000 is lower than 12,830,000 but the workforce was 3.1 million people larger so even though the unemployment number had gone up the number of jobs in 1938 was larger than 1933 by 5.5 million

Did you really want to prove you were an idiot? You are doing a pretty good job of it.

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@ican711nm,

urban legends is investigating the email..

They will find that it is false.

Obama has NOT proposed a 28% capital gains on home sale.

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@cicerone imposter,

Ican- Your post was very good. You gave facts and figures. Cicerone Imposter, who never met a link he liked can only bloviate without giving any evidence. Imposter does not know that the 2,500 jobs in a factory can only exist if that factory was indeed built in the USA. Or maybe, CI wants all of our jobs to go to the far east!

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@cicerone imposter,

CI does not know that if all of the CEO salaries and other benefits were put together, they would not equal ten billion dollars. That is chump change compared to what can be done with the money saved by a tax cut.

ican is correct. CEO rewards or penalties are irrelevant to this discussion, but CI uses it because it rouses the rabble.

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@engineer,

No, no one will stop working because of an extra 35K in salaries. I hope that you know that the majority of jobs in this country are provided for by what is called "small business". Those people WILL NOT expand their businesses if they have to pay so much more taxes because, it does not make sense to work so hard( and please don't tell me that small business owners do not work very hard) if the taxes are increased so radically.

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@rabel22,

I think that would be fair, BUT would you be paying only 400,000 in taxes?

Obama will raise the taxes of anybody making $1,000,000 a year.

Do you know that the total cost of government( Federal,state and local) under FDR, who was supposed to be a big spender, was 17 percent of the GDP. Under Harry Truman it was it was only 22 percent and itdidn't reach 30 percent until the days of Lyndon Johnson. In 2000, taxes took almost 38 percent of the GDP and grows every year.

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@MontereyJack,

Interesting. I never read that. Do you have a link?

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@ican711nm,

Obama--He has the brothers in the inner city who will revolt if he is not elected.
Hyperbole??? Didn't Detroit, Chicago and Los Angeles nearly burn down?

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@parados,

Yes, and you would also say, I am sure, that the Misery Index was not highest during the peanut farmer's time in the office. You do know, I hope, that the Misery Index was the addition of the Unemployment Rate to the Inflation Number. Carter was, an is, a complete disgrace/

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@ican711nm,

I will never sell my house if Obama is president. There will be a revolt if he tries to put in such a law. But, he knows most of his people don't own houses so he knows they won't be hurt/

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@mysteryman,

It's coming from AlQueda. They would love to see the appeaser become the president so then they can take over Iraq and all of our soldiers will have fought and some died, in vain. He is a cheat. Noone has really delved into his dealings with a certain Rezko, who is a convicted felon and was a close associate of Obama's in Chicago. Rezko actually purchased part of the property( some of the side yard) of a mansion that Obama purchased(the same day)--What a coincidence--and then sold part of that yard back to Obama for a reduced price.

Obama is corrupt!

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@SYNRON,

next to Reagan and Bush II, Bush I was a mere dot on the pages of history. Reagans dismantling of any energy initiatives that CArter began are a sorry spot that led us to todays energy debacle. (Not to mention his avoidance of any advice from CIA about how wed get tagged in Lenbanon).

I think that Bush II will go down as the worst president along side Buchanan

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@farmerman,

That is your opinion, Farmerman, but what do you knowabout the Misery Index? Blah blah is good but let's look at some facts.

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@farmerman,

and, if you are really interested in facts, Farmerman, go to Wikipedia under Misery Index and you will find that Jimmy( THE Arab's best friend) Carter is listedwith a 16.27 Misery Index throughout his tenure--1977-1980 while GW Bush has a misery index of 8,01 for the last seven and a half years.

In June 1980, his PREMIER year, Carter earned a startling 21.98 score on the misery index. GW Bush's highest thus far was July of 2008 with an 11.30.

You do, I hope know what the Misery Index is, farmerman. It is the combination of the unemployment and inflation rates.

Now, some idiot left wingers like those in Berkeley or Budapest might say this is not very important. That is nonsense. Unemployment and Inflation strike at the very heart of the middle class.

PS- Farmerman- You might wish to check out the Unemployment Number that was just issued. It is 6.1 and more importantly, you will find, if you search in the figures( go the BLS if you wish to look for yourself) that the white unemployment rate is 4.8 while Obama's constituents in the inner city are at 10.5%. One of the reasons, of course, is that counting unemployment insurance, welfare, food stamps, free school lunches and the underground
traffic in drugs, living is EASY in the ghetto!!

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@ican711nm,

Of the four candidates--Obama, Biden, McCain, Paylin--it appears that only Paylin understands that CO2 density in the atmosphere has little effect on global warming.

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ftp://ftp.cmdl.noaa.gov/ccg/co2/trends/co2_mm_mlo.txt
YEAR ..... MONTH ........ ATMOSPHERIC CO2 PPM
2003 ........... 9 ............. 376.44
2004 ........... 9 ............. 377.35
2005 ........... 9 ............. 379.97
2006 ........... 9 ............. 382.07
2007 ........... 9 ............. 384.00
2008 ........... 9 ............. 386.36

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http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadcrut3gl.txt
year, jan, feb, mar, apr, may, jun, jul, aug, sep, oct, nov, dec, average
2003 0.527 0.438 0.422 0.414 0.435 0.439 0.453 0.523 0.518 0.565 0.428 0.519 0.473

2004 0.505 0.571 0.510 0.495 0.324 0.347 0.371 0.419 0.446 0.477 0.526 0.376 0.447

2005 0.463 0.376 0.493 0.536 0.480 0.512 0.532 0.503 0.507 0.513 0.494 0.371 0.482

2006 0.296 0.443 0.385 0.357 0.338 0.443 0.434 0.488 0.417 0.481 0.441 0.536 0.422

2007 0.632 0.520 0.441 0.472 0.374 0.375 0.406 0.370 0.412 0.368 0.268 0.213 0.404

2008 0.050 0.189 0.446 0.267 0.278 0.312 0.412 0.387 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.293*
*average jan thru aug

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@ican711nm,

Obama-Beiden Democrats repeatedly deny al-Qaeda--many fleeing Afghanistan--was growing in Iraq more than a year before we invaded Iraq.

Congress wrote:

Congress's Joint Resolution Oct. 16, 2002
Public Law 107-243 107th Congress Joint Resolution (H.J. Res. 114) To authorize the use of United States Armed Forces against Iraq.
...
[10th]Whereas members of al Qaida, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq;

[11th]Whereas Iraq continues to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations, including organizations that threaten the lives and safety of United States citizens;
…

General Tommy Franks in his book, American Soldier wrote:

7/1/2004
page 483:
The air picture changed once more. Now the icons were streaming toward two ridges an a steep valley in far northeastern Iraq, right on the border with Iran. These were the camps of the Ansar al-Isla terrorists, where al Qaeda leader Abu Musab Zarqawi had trained disciples in the use of chemical and biological weapons. But this strike was more than just another [Tomahawk Land Attack Missile] bashing. Soon Special Forces and [Special Mission Unit] operators, leading Kurdish Peshmerga fighters, would be storming the camps, collecting evidence, taking prisoners, and killing all those who resisted.

page 519:
[The Marines] also encountered several hundred foreign fighters from Egypt, the Sudan, Syria, and Lybia who were being trained by the regime in a camp south of Baghdad. Those foreign volunteers fought with suicidal ferocity, but they did not fight well. The Marines killed them all.

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence wrote:

Congressional Intelligence Report 09/08/2006
Postwar information indicates that the Intelligence Community accurately assessed that al-Qa'ida affiliate group Ansar al-Islam operated in Kurdish-controlled northeastern Iraq.

With the Surge we finally solved the problem of curtailing the al-Qaeda growth in Iraq that began more than a year before we invaded Iraq. Now we must help the people of Iraq solve the problem of establishing and maintaining a stable, free and productive, self-governed state that can by itself continue to curtail al-Qaeda growth in Iraq.

Some perspective is required here. It took the American people 7 years (1776 to 1883) to win the revelutionary war. It took them another 6 years (1783 to 1789) to establish our Constitutional government. The American people had help from several other nations accomplishing all that in those 13 years.[/size]

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@ican711nm,

Great documentation and writing Ican711nm. I am heartened to see that there are some people on these threads who are not doctrinare Liberals or crypto- communists. You are aware, of course, that on October 1oth and 11th 2001, Congress gave full authority to the President to use the military "as he deems to be necessary and proper" ( source -Woodward-Bush at war-P. 351. Of course, some of the Liberals in the Congress say that the Administration concocted the evidence which made a basis for the attack, even though the intelligence agencies of Britain, China, and even France concurred that Iraq was a threat.

I think the Senate and House Democrats voted for the above because some are patriots who feared for our country after 9/11, some had heard from many of their constituents who were also fearful, and other like MaxineWaters, Cynthia McKinney, Rangel fromNew York and Cummings from Maryland were not intellectually equipped to understand the briefings even if they listened intently.

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Racist jerk.

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i read this the other day in Inc. magazine. i was surprised by their expert's analysis. i won't post the whole thing, but i will post a link to the article online;

on mccain's tax proposals;

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... What the Experts Say: According to an analysis by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, most Americans would get a smaller tax cut under McCain's plan than they would under Obama's proposal. On average, only the top 20 percent of earners -- those with incomes of more than $112,000 in 2009 -- would do better under McCain. As for the centerpiece of McCain's business agenda, the center notes that "other countries have been lowering their corporate tax rate and broadening the base, and similar changes in the United States could be beneficial."

Budgetary Impact: The Tax Policy Center estimates that McCain's agenda would cost the Treasury $4.2 trillion over 10 years. ...

on obama's tax proposals;

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...What the Experts Say: According to the Tax Policy Center, on average Obama's plan would result in a tax cut for all but the richest 1 percent of Americans, and most people would probably have more after-tax income than under McCain's proposal. This includes the nearly three-quarters of taxpayers reporting small-business income who fall into the 25 percent tax bracket or lower. Only those with household incomes of more than $500,000 in 2009 are more likely than not to see a tax increase.

Budgetary Impact: The Tax Policy Center estimates that Obama's plan will cost the Treasury $2.9 trillion in lost revenue over 10 years. ...

http://www.inc.com/magazine/20081001/tax-this-tax-that.html

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@ican711nm,

ican711nm wrote:

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence wrote:
Congressional Intelligence Report 09/08/2006
Postwar information indicates that the Intelligence Community accurately assessed that al-Qa'ida affiliate group Ansar al-Islam operated in Kurdish-controlled northeastern Iraq.

it's intellectually dishonest to post only the part you like of the conclusion, #6.
this is the entire conclusion #6;

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Conclusion 6: Postwar information indicates that the Intelligence Community accurately assessed that al-Qa'ida affiliate group Ansar al-Islam operated in Kurdish-controlled northeastern Iraq, an area that Baghdad had not controlled since 1991. Prewar assessments reported on Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) infiltrations of the group, but noted uncertainty regarding the purpose of the infiltrations. Postwar information reveals that Baghdad viewed Ansar al-Islam as a threat to the regime and that the IIS attempted to collect intelligence on the group.

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