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NRA Releases Anti-Obama Ads

 
 
roger
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 12:36 pm
@Robert Gentel,
And if he's not strongly anti-gun, why is the NRA wasting its money on these ads? Certainly, McCain is not what you would call pro-gun.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 12:42 pm
@maporsche,
A little more detail on this support of a semi-automatic ban. Notice the phrase "all forms"....ALL forms of semi-automatic guns (over 2/3rds of all guns are semi-automatic).

Quote:

Principles that Obama supports on gun issues:
-Ban the sale or transfer of all forms of semi-automatic weapons.
-Increase state restrictions on the purchase and possession of firearms.
-Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks with firearms.
Source: 1998 IL State Legislative National Political Awareness Test Jul 2, 1998
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 12:44 pm
@maporsche,
Maporsche,

Obama has long since repudiated that position, which he has said he never really held. It's based off of one survey that was filled out - either by him or his staff and nothing more.

C'mon, man. Be honest. You don't believe Obama when he says he doesn't take your guns, b/c you don't want to believe him, and no other reason.

Cycloptichorn
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 12:45 pm
@roger,
That's what I find to be disingenuous about it. I think the NRA wants to use its gun rights activists as political tools in a larger battle against liberal politics in general.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 12:52 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cyclops, I would love to believe him, but look at what I posted, if you ignore the semi-automatic ban (which I've never seen/heard him repudiate) there are still plenty of bans that he does support and has voted for.

The SCOTUS ruling have made me more open to voting for Obama, but I also realize that with the house/senate and executive brance all democratic, what would stop them from banning more guns? It might not even be Obama that would do it, the Senate could write a law that would ban all guns, it could pass the house, and Obama might face political pressure to vote for it (they could bundle it with a bill he does support for example (like his health care plan)).

He surely wouldn't fight FOR the 2nd amendment if the Senate/House chose to leglislate against my rights, would he?
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 12:53 pm
@Robert Gentel,
This wouldn't work if the liberal politicans weren't also in favor of banning guns would it?
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:00 pm
@Gargamel,
Quote:
They start with your guns...

And then they take your babies.

No; not before thay KILL u.
Ask the Armenians disarmed and then killed by the Turks,
or ask the Jews disarmed and then killed by the Germans,
or ask Carthaginians disarmed and then killed by the Romans (3rd Punic War)
or ask the Fancher Wagontrain Party disarmed and then killed by the Mormons.

O, no -- that 's right: u CAN T.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:05 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

Cyclops, I would love to believe him, but look at what I posted, if you ignore the semi-automatic ban (which I've never seen/heard him repudiate) there are still plenty of bans that he does support and has voted for.

The SCOTUS ruling have made me more open to voting for Obama, but I also realize that with the house/senate and executive brance all democratic, what would stop them from banning more guns? It might not even be Obama that would do it, the Senate could write a law that would ban all guns, it could pass the house, and Obama might face political pressure to vote for it (they could bundle it with a bill he does support for example (like his health care plan)).

He surely wouldn't fight FOR the 2nd amendment if the Senate/House chose to leglislate against my rights, would he?


Are you out of your mind? A ban on all guns, passed in the Senate? How can you think such a thing would ever happen? And it isn't even Constitutional to do so; the recent SC ruling proves that.

Here's another scenario - a meteorite could impact the earth and we all could be destroyed in a fiery cataclysm. That has about an equal chance of happening as what you propose.

Maporsche, face it. There's no evidence to support the idea that Obama wants to ban your guns. You are using this as an excuse to be against him. You can come up with fantasy scenarios about the Senate passing laws which violate the Constitution, but are you even convincing yourself with such a weak argument?

Cycloptichorn
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:08 pm
If u wanna look at a black who supports
the right to self defense and to possession
of defensive emergency equipment
that is defended by the 2nd Amendment: look at Condi Rice!
I can support her,
but Obama: Please !
We are not THAT dumb.
Its ez to see where his real opinions are.
He is very intensely anti-gun; he can hardly contain it,
but he knows what happened to Clinton (lost both houses of Congress)
and Al Gore -- even lost his own home state,
so he just lies about it.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:14 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

If u wanna look at a black who supports
the right to self defense and to possession
of defensive emergency equipment
that is defended by the 2nd Amendment: look at Condi Rice!
I can support her,
but Obama: Please !
We are not THAT dumb.
Its ez to see where his real opinions are.
He is very intensely anti-gun; he can hardly contain it,
but he knows what happened to Clinton (lost both houses of Congress)
and Al Gore -- even lost his own home state,
so he just lies about it.


You are either a racist, or you have been intentionally using racist terminology in order to rile people up. Either way, it's despicable and you ought to quit it.

You have no evidence to back up your accusations, but I suppose that's never stopped you in the past, so why should it now?

Cycloptichorn
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:16 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
In this mornings newspaper, there's an article about the NRA filming mineworkers in WVA, and they were trying to coerce miners to say bad things about Obama. The result is that the miners are going to strike in protest.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:19 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Dave, you are coming off as bitter, paranoid, and out of touch...
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:25 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Really? Link plz!

Cycloptichorn
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:25 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Are you out of your mind? . . .
How can you think such a thing would ever happen?

I remember that argument being used qua the 16th Amendment.
Originally, it was to be capped at a maximum taxation rate of 10%,
but the prevailing counterargument was that OBVIOUSLY
the income tax rate woud never reach that high,
but if Congress wrote that number of 10%
into the constitutional amendment then, that woud be accepted as being authorized.
About 30 years later the maximum rate went to 91% !
Incidentally, I seem to remember Obama being quoted
as saying, after the USSC gun freedom decision,
something like: " well then maybe we need to change the Second Amendment."

Some folks HATE guns and wish to do something about it.
Obama holds that opinion.
For those of us who have been following the 2A environment,
there is no room for doubt whatsoever,
and simply accepting his assurances at face value is a JOKE.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:40 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I didn't mean to say "all" guns in that sentence, but instead "all of certain type of gun".....like semi-automatics, or "assault weapons", or other types of guns.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:40 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
You are either a racist, or you have been intentionally using racist terminology in order to rile people up.

WHAT terminology ?
I stand by what I said. It is factually correct.



Quote:
You have no evidence to back up your accusations,
but I suppose that's never stopped you in the past, so why should it now?

If u took the time to research the factual truth of what u allege,
instead of accepting his party line, u 'd know that in the ideological battle
over freedom of self defense and freedom of possession
of the necessary tools thereof, he is on the anti-freedom side,
with great enthusiasm, as distinct, for example from Condi Rice
who is honest in her support for gun freedom.

I have the ability to demonstrate my point
( it woud be successful, tho unrewarded labor )
but no matter WHAT, u will not believe any evidence,
because u want to have an excuse to support Obama.

I remember u ( at least once ) claiming to be conservative,
but I have always seen u taking anti-conservative, liberal positions
about EVERYTHING, so far as I can remember.

Did u change your mind,
or were u trying to deceive us ?





David
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:41 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Maporsche, face it. There's no evidence to support the idea that Obama wants to ban your guns.


HOW can you say this? NO evidence? Really? His voting record, his statments on various types of gun bans....what they just don't count anymore?

I own a hand gun, a shot gun, and an "assault rifle"....there are positions that Obama has taken in favor of banning 2 of the 3 types of guns I own. I'm sure I can find something for the shotgun too if I look hard enough.

And a ban isn't the only thing I'm afraid of; how about increased taxes on ammo/firearms, severe restrictions on ownership, more burden on gun owners (trigger locks and all that garbage).
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:43 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
In this mornings newspaper, there's an article about the NRA filming mineworkers in WVA, and they were trying to coerce miners to say bad things about Obama. The result is that the miners are going to strike in protest.

O, yeah.
Everyone KNOWS that the NRA has the ability
to coerce miner; sure it does.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:48 pm
@Rockhead,
Quote:
Re: OmSigDAVID(Post 3411766)
Dave, you are coming off as bitter, paranoid, and out of touch...

That is a shockingly foolish thing to say.

Anyone who does not already KNOW
that Obama is intensely anti-gun has just not been watching.
REally: that 's just a dum joke,
but maybe we need to make the super-obvious more clear than it is.
The NRA can do it.
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roger
 
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Reply Tue 23 Sep, 2008 01:52 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:

Are you out of your mind? A ban on all guns, passed in the Senate? How can you think such a thing would ever happen? And it isn't even Constitutional to do so; the recent SC ruling proves that.


A minor problem here; justices are appointed by the president, and Heller was decided by one vote.
 

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