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Reply Wed 3 Sep, 2008 01:37 pm
Palin in Her Church's Pews When Jews for Jesus Founder Spoke - Two Weeks Ago
by DavidNYC
Wed Sep 03, 2008 at 07:45:31 AM PDT
Via The Politico, we learn that Sarah Palin was in church for this sermon very recently:

An illustration of that gap came just two weeks ago, when Palin’s church, the Wasilla Bible Church, gave its pulpit over to a figure viewed with deep hostility by many Jewish organizations: David Brickner, the founder of Jews for Jesus.

Palin’s pastor, Larry Kroon, introduced Brickner on Aug. 17, according to a transcript of the sermon on the church’s website.

"He’s a leader of Jews for Jesus, a ministry that is out on the leading edge in a pressing, demanding area of witnessing and evangelism," Kroon said.

Brickner then explained that Jesus and his disciples were themselves Jewish.

"The Jewish community, in particular, has a difficult time understanding this reality," he said.

Brickner’s mission has drawn wide criticism from the organized Jewish community, and the Anti-Defamation League accused them in a report of "targeting Jews for conversion with subterfuge and deception."

Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's "judgment of unbelief" of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity.

In my experience, many if not most mainstream Jews are deeply suspicious of Jews for Jesus - indeed, the group has been denounced by all four branches of Judaism - and it's easy to see why. Brickner sounds like a stalking horse for anti-Semites like John Hagee, the kind of people who enjoy blaming Jews for the misfortunes history has rained down upon us - when they aren't busy trying to convert us to save our souls from eternal damnation.

And note, too, that Palin's pastor, Kroon, endorsed Brickner's mission. In fact, he took up a collection (.doc) specially for Jews for Jesus:

He’ll also be presenting his mission, to an extent, so we’re familiar with it; and it’s just gonna be a great time together with him. We’ll be taking a special offering at the end of our time to support that ministry. I encourage your engagement in that.

I wonder if Sarah Palin chipped in? Combined with her support for at least two of anti-Semite Pat Buchanan's presidential campaigns (1996 & 2000), I'd say American Jews have plenty of reasons to mistrust the McCain-Palin ticket.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/3/10452/19058
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 9 Sep, 2008 08:16 pm
@blueflame1,
Jews for Jesus head defends speech Posted: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 3:17 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC's Aram Roston
ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- The executive director of Jews For Jesus -- a group that tries to convert Jews to Christianity -- said in an interview with NBC News that when he spoke at Sarah Palin's congregation Aug. 17, he did not mean to imply that God was punishing Israel for not believing in Christ.

"What we see in Israel, the conflict that has spilled out throughout the Middle East, really which is all about Jerusalem, is an ongoing reflection of the fact that there is judgment," David Brickner told an audience at Wasilla Baptist Church that included Palin. He added that when his son visited Jerusalem, “He was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment -- you can't miss it."

The blogosphere and others have jumped on the issue because Jews For Jesus has sometimes been criticized by mainstream Jewish political leaders, some of whom consider it offensive and anti-Semitic.

But Brickner defended the comments and said critics are wrong when they claim he was implying that terror is a result of Jews not accepting Jesus.

”That's not what I was saying,” he said. “That's not what I believe. The violence is evidence that sin has marred our human condition and because of sin and non belief, God's judgment rests on all humanity. And that's why God had to send Jesus, the Messiah to deal with the problem of the sin. And actually he became sin, and God judged him.… “I believe that violence is the natural outcome of the human condition, that sin has blinded the whole world to the truth of God in Jesus Christ.”

The McCain campaign acknowledged Palin was in attendance when Brickner spoke, but stressed Palin does not support Brickner's message.

“This was a guest at the church who Governor Palin did not know would be speaking,” said McCain-Palin spokesman Taylor Griffin. “Gov. Palin does not share the views he expressed, and she and her family would not have been sitting in the pews of this church for the last seven years if his remarks were even remotely typical.”

Additionally, Brickner said he had not met Palin, who during the Republican National Convention spoke with the influential pro-Israel lobby, The American Israel Public Affairs Committee.

But Brickner told NBC News that Palin's pastor is a strong supporter of his mission.

“Larry Kroon is a supporter and friend of Jews for Jesus,” he said, “and a personal friend of mine.”
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/09/1368740.aspx
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 06:55 am
@blueflame1,
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wonder if Sarah Palin chipped in? Combined with her support for at least two of anti-Semite Pat Buchanan's presidential campaigns (1996 & 2000), I'd say American Jews have plenty of reasons to mistrust the McCain-Palin ticket.


Except she never supported Buchanon.
If your "source" had bothered to do even the slightest bit of research he would know that.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/sliming_palin.html

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Claims that Palin endorsed conservative Republican Pat Buchanan for president in the 2000 campaign are false. She worked for conservative Republican Steve Forbes.

The incorrect reports stem from an Associated Press story on July 17, 1999, that said Palin was "among those sporting Buchanan buttons" at a lunch for Buchanan attended by about 85 people, during a swing he took through Fairbanks and Wasilla. Buchanan didn't help matters when he told a reporter for the liberal publication The Nation on Aug. 29: "I'm pretty sure she's a Buchananite." But in fact, she wasn't.

Soon after The AP story appeared, Palin wrote in a letter to the editor of the Anchorage Daily News that she had merely worn a Buchanan button as a courtesy to her visitor and was not endorsing him. The letter, published July 26, 1999, said:

Palin, July 26, 1999: As mayor of Wasilla, I am proud to welcome all presidential candidates to our city. This is true regardless of their party, or the latest odds of their winning. When presidential candidates visit our community, I am always happy to meet them. I'll even put on their button when handed one as a polite gesture of respect.

Though no reporter interviewed me for the Associated Press article on the recent visit by a presidential candidate (Metro, July 17), the article may have left your readers with the perception that I am endorsing this candidate, as opposed to welcoming his visit to Wasilla. As mayor, I will welcome all the candidates in Wasilla.

Palin actually worked for Forbes. Less than a month after being spotted wearing the "courtesy" button for Buchanan, she was named to the state leadership committee of the Forbes effort. The Associated Press reported on Aug. 7, 1999:

The Associated Press, Aug. 7 1999: State Sen. Mike Miller of Fairbanks will head the Alaska campaign chairman for Republican presidential candidate Steve Forbes, campaign officials said. Joining the Fairbanks Republican on the leadership committee will be Wasilla Mayor Sarah Palin, and former state GOP chairman Pete Hallgren, who will serve as co-chairs.

Still, after nine years, the truth has yet to catch up completely.
blueflame1
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 04:21 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman, I dont consider the Buchanan thing to be important as her views on Jews for Jesus statetments and Rapturite "end times" statements preached at her church. She calls Bushie's war in Iraq "God's Plan" and that has a Rapturite ring to it. Without the GOP rapturite base I doubt Bushie would have gotten away with lying us into war. So I'm interested in her setting the record straight on the preaching at her church just as Obama did with Wright and McCain did with Hagee. As for the Buchanan thing there is this, "Buchanan, Palin "was a brigadier in 1996 as was her husband ... They were at a fundraiser for me, she's a terrific gal, she's a rebel reformer."
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djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2008 04:58 pm
personaly i think that jews for jesus is a pretty good trade
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2008 02:18 pm
Putting Jews Back in Their Place http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-levy/putting-jews-back-in-thei_b_125486.html "But there is also a Jewish specific cause for concern in the Palin pick. Just three weeks ago, with Sarah in attendance, Palin's church hosted the Executive Director of Jews for Jesus, David Brickner -- a group much criticized by the ADL. As Ben Smith pointed out in Politico, Brickner "described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God's 'judgment of unbelief' of Jews who haven't embraced Christianity". Palin's Pastor at the Wasilla Bible Church, Larry Kroon, warns of God taking retribution on a sinning America. She trades on an anti-intellectualism and playing of small town vs big city or suburban America that is alienating to most Jews. Mayor Koch is right: this is "scary" stuff.

Third, and perhaps most bizarrely, the types of attacks used by leading Republicans against Senator Obama should be making Jewish voters feel distinctly uneasy -- they are taken straight from the vernacular of classical anti-Semitism. When Rudy Giuliani during his RNC keynote address put a big sneer on his face and used the word 'cosmopolitan' to attack Obama, I was rattled -- literally shocked. Words have coded meanings, and I don't think it would be Jewish paranoia to remind ourselves of the coded meaning of 'cosmopolitan' when used in that insulting, demeaning, and group-defining political fashion. We Jews are after all the quintessential, rootless cosmopolitans. 'Cosmopolitan', 'elites', 'urbane', 'liberal media' -- in trying to negatively define Barack Obama, the Republicans have chosen to use a convenient and familiar existing vocabulary for defining the 'other' -- the vocabulary of anti-Semitic stereotypes. At the very least this is deeply insensitive to Jewish opinion.

It is shameful that Republican Jewish circles have been silent in the wake of this ugliness. It would be even more shameful if it was allowed to succeed. Fortunately Jewish voters, in Florida and elsewhere, will have a big say in the matter."
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