[answered] Why is H20_MAN allowed to sh*t all over A2K?

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I kinnda like H2O. He'll pull your leg as long as you let him.

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kickycan wrote:

Let's **** all over OGIONIK now. He seems to be kind of down lately, and you know what they say, "Kick 'em when they're down!"

yes,please.

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Oh no not another scatological thread

First the porn, then the rape and pedophilia, and now this.

Who can think of something even worse?

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i think we can.

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Your qualms with him boil down to having politics you don't like and for not contributing much. Those aren't objective rules to use to ban people.

Bull. It boils down to constant trolling and continual crudeness. I could care less about his politics.

The fact that you casually disregard people's complaints doesn't speak well, I must say. You don't seem to be familiar with this poster and the problems he causes in threads, yet seem perfectly willing to make some sweeping claims about why people have a problem with him. I don't understand why you feel comfortable doing this, when it simply isn't true.

Well, whatever. I consider this license to abandon the ToS as he has and forgo self-moderation from this point on.

Cycloptichorn

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hey, what do i have to do to get a thread like this?

haha

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Craven de Kere wrote:

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He is the worst, seriously. He adds nothing of substance to any thread that he's in, he is constantly crude, never amusing, and generally has lowered the level of debate considerably.

Your qualms with him boil down to having politics you don't like and for not contributing much. Those aren't objective rules to use to ban people.

Simply put, there just can't be a "not enough contribution" ban rule and never will be.

Oh, please. If you're not enforcing the TOS, then step up and admit it.

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III. POSTINGS
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1) Be courteous. You agree that you will not threaten or verbally abuse other members, use defamatory language, or deliberately disrupt topics with repetitive messages, meaningless messages or "spam." Spammers will be removed from the service, and their accounts terminated.

It's your sandbox, and we're allowed to play in it. At the same time, we're the one's that generate the content and the traffic for the site.

If the gloves are off, then let us know.

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What I don't understand is this; if there are no enforced community standards for behaviour and if technology will be used to ensure that there is no common experience of a2k, then the community ceases to exist....so what is a2k supposed to become?

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Now that is an excellent question.

Cycloptichorn

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hawkeye10 wrote:

What I don't understand is this; if there are no enforced community standards for behaviour and if technology will be used to ensure that there is no common experience at a2k, then the community ceases to exist....so what is a2k supposed to become?

A menu to pick and choose from as you see fit?

Kind of like the transition from a local community to a consumer society...

Maybe an unavoidable transformation if the scale of things starts multiplying (unless you have the resources to hire an army of moderators, I mean). With the well-known advantages and disadvantages.

Like, maybe like what's happened with TV. You used to have a couple of stations. Everyone got to see the same things, so you shared the same experience, which was good for water cooler conversation. And the stations were pretty well policed: you didnt have the proliferation of porn, blood and commercials you have now.

But you were also stuck with those couple of stations; you all just had the same programs to watch, regardless of your preferences or interests. And there was just one way to watch it, beginning to end.

Now you have much more choice, everybody gets to pick and select what they like according to their interests. With stuff like TiVo (I hear) you can even skip parts like the commercials. And you can protect yourself from the garbage by simply skipping or ignoring the channel. Moreover, there's ways content is flagged to warn people it's something they don't want to see (adult TV, PG-ratings etc).

But boy is there a lot of garbage out there now, which just wasnt there before... and beyond just keeping ignoring it, there's nothing you can do about it, cause it's is a free for all and nobody's gonna intervene and take it down. And yeah, the TV experience is splintered -- it's only at the world championship football or when, I dunno, Lady Di dies that we all still watch the same thing.

(Which - but this is a digression - actually could be the reason why events like those are more cathartically massive than ever before. Them being the only occasions when the country still comes together, it's lived out with an extravagance of public, collective emotion you never had in earlier times).

Um... sorry for getting all sociological and stuff...

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nimh wrote:

A menu to pick and choose from as you see fit?

Kind of like the transition from a local community to a consumer society...

...

And it very well might be in Craven's interest to do that, however all need to be aware that the community is thus being destroyed because community is not what is wanted in this space.

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hawkeye10 wrote:

And it very well might be in Craven's interest to do that, however all need to be aware that the community is thus being destroyed

But keeping up the moderation there was before even while the site keeps growing, let alone stepping it up to local-community type social control, would just require a lot of moderators. And right now you have a couple of hard-working volunteers with lives of their own who can only do so much. So unless we'd all start paying so they can hire an appropriate division of policing moderators, tant pis.

(And the irony of course is that if there were strict community policing in place, I'm guessing you'd be one of the first posters to be kicked out.)

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Much of the sense of community here has been a constant, while a constant with continuing additions and losses, over almost seven years, with some background before that. Community will seemingly splinter into interest groups, but we've always had interest groups.
I detect no anticommunity motives, though I consider that the aims here have always been inclined to as much knowledge transfer over as wide a geography as possible.

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nimh wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:
And it very well might be in Craven's interest to do that, however all need to be aware that the community is thus being destroyed

But keeping up the moderation there was before, let alone stepping it up to local-community type social control, even while the site keeps growing would just require a lot of moderators. And right now you have a couple of hard-working volunteers with lives of their own who can only do so much. So unless we'd all start paying so they can hire an appropriate division of policing moderators, tant pis.

(And the irony of course is that if there were strict community policing in place, I'm guessing you'd be one of the first posters to be kicked out.)

Hopefully not, because I have followed TOS. I fully support Cravens arguments about "witch hunts" and the importance of freedom of speech. Ideally strong moderation would kick out those who broke the rules, not those who voiced opinions that were deemed morally retrograde by the majority. The concept of minority rights is written into a2k TOS, and I would expect moderators to make a stand in support of minority rights.

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ossobuco wrote:

Much of the sense of community here has been a constant, while a constant with continuing additions and losses, over almost seven years, with some background before that. Community will seemingly splinter into interest groups, but we've always had interest groups.
I detect no anticommunity motives, though I consider that the aims here have always been inclined to as much knowledge transfer over as wide a geography as possible.

Nicely ignoring that lack of moderator support for TOS as well as technology that destroys the common experience of a2k are both new to the scene, history does not give guidance for what will happen with this new direction taken by Craven.

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if this isnt a community i dont know what is.
i trust most of you more than my next door neighbhors.
<3 u all!

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Aw

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I didn't ignore your points, hawkeye, I just dismiss them re of interest to me. Some part of this communty existed for years in a situation on a previous site with no moderation and no technology of the like possible here in the future.
I maintain that community will continue - perhaps it'll be more lacey, more crystalline in structure than apparent now, but I'm not worried.

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This thread is quite a surprise. We are grown ups here and shouldn't need moderating. If you don't like someone or what someone has written, scroll on by, click out, whatever. Why should banning take place? Those who write offensive things will be dealt with by the community, as it usually does.

Any suggestion that this community is being ruined by a few bad apples is ludicrous. It will only happen if we let it.

There are a few people here who break the TOS on a regular basis. Some of the language is downright foul and some of the sentiments really nasty and repugnant, leaving me shaking my head that someone would actually advertise themselves that way. All I can do is try to avoid them and their posts, but I don't think they are 'ruining' the community.

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hawkeye10 wrote:

What I don't understand is this; if there are no enforced community standards for behaviour and if technology will be used to ensure that there is no common experience of a2k, then the community ceases to exist....so what is a2k supposed to become?

Craven has always maintained that the community aspect is not the primary reason for the site.

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