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Bush Signs Mortgage Bailout Bill

 
 
cjhsa
 
Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 12:11 pm
For those of you that think I support Bush on all fronts, again, you need to rethink that.

This bailout pisses me off to no end. It's outrageous to just try to fix the problem instead of holding those accountable for the mess. This is welfare of the first degree.

For those of us "elite" like me (as penned by Cyclonebreath), who put 20% down and have "conventional loans", guess what? We get screwed for being responsible and at least TRYING to do the RIGHT THING.

Once again the populace has voted to steal from the Treasury, and Bush didn't veto it, as he should have.

He's a liberal. The war in Iraq and drill, drill, drill is about all I agree with him on any longer.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 12:25 pm
Re: Bush Signs Mortgage Bailout Bill
cjhsa wrote:
For those of you that think I support Bush on all fronts, again, you need to rethink that.

This bailout pisses me off to no end. It's outrageous to just try to fix the problem instead of holding those accountable for the mess. This is welfare of the first degree.

For those of us "elite" like me (as penned by Cyclonebreath), who put 20% down and have "conventional loans", guess what? We get screwed for being responsible and at least TRYING to do the RIGHT THING.

Once again the populace has voted to steal from the Treasury, and Bush didn't veto it, as he should have.

He's a liberal. The war in Iraq and drill, drill, drill is about all I agree with him on any longer.


Haha, you are not an elite.

I agree with you, though, this mortgage bailout should never have been passed.

Cycloptichorn
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 01:34 pm
Bump.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 02:01 pm
Re: Bush Signs Mortgage Bailout Bill
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Haha, you are not an elite.



Never was, but certainly, no chance any longer. Not when all the money is being given to the stupid just because they can pull a lever.
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Gala
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 02:30 pm
Hey, it's not just Bush to blame-- all those congress people working the thing up. With every bail-out America gets weaker and weaker.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 05:55 pm
It's to your benefit too. In neighborhoods here in the Valley where foreclosures are up to 1 in 5 homes, those other 4 home values are suffering because of the foreclosures. People wishing to sell their well-funded, well-maintained homes are competing with the cheaper, foreclosed houses sold by the banks and losing their shirts. They didn't have bad loans and were not unable to pay their mortgage, yet their homes are bleeding dollars.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 06:02 pm
""House prices will continue to drop because inventories of unsold homes remain high," said Patrick Newport, US economist at Global Insight. "Recent progress on reducing inventories has been modest. This is bad news because invenĀ­tories need to come down considerably for the housing market to equilibrate."


The woes in the housing market have been at the heart of the slowdown in the US economy and continued unrest on Wall Street. In May, the outlook for the mortgage markets had improved in the wake of the government-backed rescue deal for Bear Stearns, the stricken investment bank.

However, conditions have since worsened amid doubts about the financial health of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored mortgage companies, leading to a rise in mortgage rates.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/50694c38-5d71-11dd-8129-000077b07658.html?nclick_check=1
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 06:04 pm
Tried to add this to my post but someone posted after me so couldn't edit it.




http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&refer=home&sid=aomtw8.Pro2E


U.S. Foreclosures Double as House Prices Decline (Correct)

By Bob Ivry

(Corrects Sheryl King's title in third paragraph of story that was published July 25.)

July 25 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. foreclosure filings more than doubled in the second quarter from a year earlier as falling home prices left borrowers owing more on mortgages than their properties were worth.

One in every 171 households was foreclosed on, received a default notice or was warned of a pending auction. That was an increase of 121 percent from a year earlier and 14 percent from the first quarter, RealtyTrac Inc. said today in a statement. Almost 740,000 properties were in some stage of foreclosure, the most since the Irvine, California-based data company began reporting in January 2005.

``Rising foreclosures are putting downward pressure on prices, increasing the possibility that homeowners will go upside- down on their mortgages,'' said Sheryl King, U.S. economist at Merrill Lynch & Co. in New York. ``That will cause more losses in mortgage portfolios and less willingness from investors to securitize mortgages and therefore fewer mortgages.''

About 25 million U.S. homeowners risk owing more than the value of their homes, according to Bill Gross, manager of the world's biggest bond fund at Pacific Investment Management Co. That would make it impossible for them to negotiate better loan terms or sell their property without contributing cash to the transaction.

New Home Sales

The Commerce Department today reported that new home sales fell less than expected, and a Standard and Poor's measure of homebuilder stocks rose as much as 6.1 percent.

Sales of new homes fell 0.6 percent to a 530,000 pace from 533,000 in May, a reading higher than previously estimated, the Commerce Department said in Washington. The number of properties on the market dropped by the most in four decades, today's report showed, indicating builders are making some headway in clearing out inventories.

Economists had forecast sales would decline to a 503,000 pace, from a previously reported 512,000 for May, according to the median of 75 projections in a Bloomberg News survey. Estimates ranged from 480,000 to 530,000. The Standard and Poor's Supercomposite Homebuilding Index rose 4.2 percent at 11:14 am, lowering its loss for the past 12 months to 42 percent. Pulte Homes Inc., a builder based in Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, was the biggest gainer, climbing 80 cents, or 7.3 percent, to $11.83 at 11:16 a.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. The shares have lost 43 percent of their value in the past 12 months.

Doubling Projections

Falling home values, led by states such as Nevada and California that have the biggest default rate, have prompted RealtyTrac to almost double the projected number of foreclosures this year to about 2.5 million, said Rick Sharga, executive vice president for marketing.

``The big variable here is what effect the housing bill now being considered by the Senate is going to have on foreclosure activity in general,'' Sharga said in an interview. ``Based on market conditions themselves, we are nowhere near the end of this trip. Best-case scenario, we're looking at another year of this.''

The housing bill aims to help 400,000 Americans with subprime home loans refinance into 30-year, fixed-rate mortgages backed by the government. The measure passed the House of Representatives and President George W. Bush has said he would sign it.

Subprime mortgages were available to borrowers with bad or incomplete credit histories and default at five times the rate of prime mortgages, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association in Washington.

Bank Seizures Rise

Bank seizures in the first half of the year increased by 154 percent to 370,179 from the same period in 2007, RealtyTrac said. Last year's second-quarter data on bank repossessions was not available, according to RealtyTrac.

Forty-eight of 50 states and 95 of the 100 largest U.S. metropolitan areas had year-over-year increases in foreclosure filings in the second quarter, RealtyTrac said.

Nevada was the state with the highest rate. One in every 43 households received a foreclosure notice in the quarter, four times the national average and an increase of 147 percent from a year earlier, according to RealtyTrac.

Foreclosure filings tripled in California, where one in every 65 households was affected, the second-highest rate among states. Arizona had the third-highest rate, with one every 70 households, a more than threefold increase from the second quarter of 2007, RealtyTrac said.

Florida, Colorado, Ohio, Michigan, Georgia, Massachusetts and Illinois rounded out RealtyTrac's top 10.

Fewer Mortgages Available

Lenders will cut in half the number of mortgages to purchase homes in 2008 compared with two years ago, said Guy Cecala, publisher of the Bethesda, Maryland-based trade publication Inside Mortgage Finance.

Bank repossessions, or REOs -- meaning ``real estate-owned'' -- accounted for 30 percent of total foreclosure activity in the second quarter, up from 24 percent of the total in the first quarter, RealtyTrac said.

Foreclosures push all home values down by an estimated 6 percent, and will contribute to national prices declining another 15 percent by the end of 2009, Ethan Harris and Michelle Meyer, Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. economists in New York, said in a report yesterday.

Uncertainty

``I believe a big part of the problem we're facing in the market right now is uncertainty,'' Sharga said. ``Buyers aren't sure if this is the right time to get in, lenders aren't sure where to lend, investors aren't sure where to put their money in an environment of depreciating assets. The psychology of the market is as responsible as the financial part of the market.''

Seven of the 11 metropolitan areas with the highest rates of foreclosure filings in the second quarter were in California, according to RealtyTrac. The Stockton area, in California's Central Valley, had the highest incidence, with one in 25 households receiving filings.

In Riverside-San Bernardino, known as the Inland Empire, where the California Association of Realtors said home prices plummeted 35 percent in May compared with a year earlier, one in 32 households entered foreclosure, according to RealtyTrac.

Bakersfield, Sacramento, Oakland, Fresno and San Diego were the other California metro areas in the top 11.

The Las Vegas area, where home values fell 27 percent in May compared with a year earlier, according to the S&P/Case-Shiller Home Price Index, had the third-highest foreclosure rate, with one in every 35 households, RealtyTrac said.

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Phoenix and Miami were the other metropolitan areas in RealtyTrac's top 11.

New York filings increased 62 percent from a year earlier to 16,025, with one in every 493 households in a stage of foreclosure, the 30th-highest rate.

New Jersey filings rose 140 percent. One in every 201 households in the state received notice, the 12th-highest rate in the U.S.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Wed 30 Jul, 2008 10:12 pm
Re: Bush Signs Mortgage Bailout Bill
cjhsa wrote:
This bailout pisses me off to no end. It's outrageous to just try to fix the problem instead of holding those accountable for the mess. This is welfare of the first degree.

I think they've calculated that the stability of the overall economy trumps any particular segment of the economy. In other words, they're trapped.

If we were really suspicious we might suggest that the banks anticipated that simple truism and hedged their risk by playing into it. Every 10 years or so, the government seems to find itself bailing out one financial system or another, in the name of economic stability.

Deregulation allows for stronger growth, but it also allows the system to be played this way.
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2008 05:33 am
It's a case of damned if we do and damned if we don't. I agree with Rosbourne that it is the price of deregulation.

We are really bailing out banks (again) not homeowners. We need the banks to keep the economy stable (or what's left of it). Investors thought real estate was the new "dot.com", some won, some lost. Now oil is the new "dot.com". It's only a matter of time before the oil bubble burst, too. There is no such thing as free enterprise - it all comes down to bunch of guys in a room trying to get rich.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2008 05:53 am
Green Witch wrote:
It's a case of damned if we do and damned if we don't. I agree with Rosbourne that it is the price of deregulation.

We are really bailing out banks (again) not homeowners.

I agree.

There needs to be some level of regulation, but not TOO much regulation. It's not good to have an economic system that cycles through boom and bust every 10 years with only the wealthiest corporate entities being able to leverage the system to skim profits from the top every time. The predictable outcome to that cycle is a huge and damaging disparity of wealth leaving some entities too strong, and others too weak.

The government tends to want to regulate the crap out of everything, which tends to improve stability, but at the cost of hanging a millstone around the economy's neck. We need a balanced solution.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2008 05:54 am
Funny, but just a little over a year and a half ago, everything was doing OK....

Don't worry..... WE know what is best for you!

http://www.yosemite.org/newsroom/clips2006/july/PelosiHetchy.jpg
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2008 05:57 am
cjhsa, you really think the Bush Administration had nothing to do with the housing bubble? I suggest you dig a little deeper into economics of the last 8 years.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2008 05:59 am
cjhsa wrote:
Funny, but just a little over a year and a half ago, everything was doing OK...

No it wasn't.

This problem has been in the making for a long time. No single person or party is to blame.
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Gala
 
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Reply Thu 31 Jul, 2008 06:24 am
They have to do something-- I guess what burns my keester is all those loans they made without seeing if the loanees were capable of acutally paying them. Those cutting the mortgages got rich and there were a lot of them-- and it went on and on and on, because in a sense we live in a time of the world where we want to feel the highs and reject the lows.

This sucks, because I'm paying for a bunch of greedy guts.

It's sort of like having a teenage sibling who'se parents knows he/she drinks and does drug but they look the other way-- then when he/she busts up the car they pay for all the expenses for the damage, even getting him/her out of jail.
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