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Vets For Freedom

 
 
cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2008 07:24 pm
Do I know you?

I'm just shakin' here.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2008 07:29 pm
cj, both of my Grandfathers were buried with honors, one with a full military service.

Get over yourself you self-righteous Jackass...

Rock
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2008 07:35 pm
No. The troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere need our support, not backstabbing bullshit. I refuse.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2008 07:37 pm
I support the troops, but really dislike the command decisions, and we prolly should part here...
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2008 02:25 am
"That was no WWII vet. They're all at least 83 years old - they don't speak or write in those inflections.

The greatest generation, what's left of them, most definitely support the war in Iraq, by far."


============"Let's start by banishing the word "warfighter," and, while we're at it, let's toss out that "world's best" boast as well. Boasting about military prowess is more Spartan than Athenian, more Second and Third Reich Germany than republican and democratic America.

Indeed, imagine, for a moment, a world in which the U.S. is no longer "number one" in military might (and, at the same time, no longer fighting endless wars in the Middle East and Central Asia). Would we then be weak and vulnerable? Or would we become stronger precisely because we stopped boasting about our ability as "warfighters" to dominate far from our shores and instead redirected our resources to developing alternative energy, bolstering our education system, reviving American industry, and focusing on other "soft power" alternatives to weapons and warriors? In other words, alternatives we can actually boast about with the pride of accomplishment.

Think about it: Must our military forever remain "second to none" for you to feel safe? Our national traditions suggest otherwise. In fact, if we no longer had the world's strongest military, perhaps we would be more reluctant to tap its strength -- and more hesitant to send our citizen-soldiers into harm's way. And while we're at it, perhaps we'd also learn to boast about a new kind of "warfighter" -- not one who fights our wars, but one who fights against them. "

William J. Astore, a retired lieutenant colonel (USAF), taught at the Air Force Academy and the Naval Postgraduate School.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2008 05:02 am
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2008 06:06 am
That's all they got - a captain? Aye aye!
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2008 01:53 pm
"No. The troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere need our support, not backstabbing bullshit. I refuse. "

Your choice and not that of mine.
Sorry. Risk your life for your cause.
As a globalist I uphold
nonviolence, peace, decency, decorum and civility.

"President Bush's ultimatum to the people of the world - "If you're not with us, you're against us" - is a piece of presumptuous arrogance. It's not a choice that people want to, need to, or should have to make. "
--
Aruntathi Roy
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2008 01:58 pm
You must be benefitting from the raping of America by the globalists.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2008 02:25 pm
Cjh

"A war long sought and planned for is now underway. All deliberations and warnings of the United Nations notwithstanding, an overpowering military apparatus has attacked preemptively in violation of international law. No objections were heeded. The Security Council was disdained and scorned as irrelevant. As the bombs fall and the battle for Baghdad continues, the law of might prevails.

And based on this injustice, the mighty have the power to buy and reward those who might be willing and to disdain and even punish the unwilling. The words of the current American president -- "Those not with us are against us" -- weighs on current events with the resonance of barbaric times. It is hardly surprising that the rhetoric of the aggressor increasingly resembles that of his enemy. Religious fundamentalism leads both sides to abuse what belongs to all religions, taking the notion of "God" hostage in accordance with their own fanatical understanding. Even the passionate warnings of the pope, who knows from experience how lasting and devastating the disasters wrought by the mentality and actions of Christian crusaders have been, were unsuccessful.

Disturbed and powerless, but also filled with anger, we are witnessing the moral decline of the world's only superpower, burdened by the knowledge that only one consequence of this organized madness is certain: Motivation for more terrorism is being provided, for more violence and counter-violence. Is this really the United States of America, the country we fondly remember for any number of reasons? The generous benefactor of the Marshall Plan? The forbearing instructor in the lessons of democracy? The candid self-critic? The country that once made use of the teachings of the European Enlightenment to throw off its colonial masters and to provide itself with an exemplary constitution? Is this the country that made freedom of speech an incontrovertible human right?

It is not just foreigners who cringe as this ideal pales to the point where it is now a caricature of itself. There are many Americans who love their country too, people who are horrified by the betrayal of their founding values and by the hubris of those holding the reins of power. I stand with them.
--------------Gunter Grass----
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jul, 2008 03:18 pm
cjhsa wrote:
You must be benefitting from the raping of America by the globalists.


har!! you're thinkin' of kbr and halliburton.

wonder if ol' cheney's been over to swing dicks with the big boys over at halliburton's ritzy new digs in the u.a.e.?
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jul, 2008 03:23 pm
Forget it.
Some of the participants of this forum are experts in verbal villifications.
I stick to the subject of this topic.
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