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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 02:02 pm
The $4 Billion Senator

July 15, 2008

The federal takeover of IndyMac Bank over the weekend could cost the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. between $4 billion and $8 billion. But Senator Chuck Schumer, who helped to precipitate the collapse by publicizing a letter to the bank's regulator last month, has no remorse.

He was, he says, just doing his job in telling regulators that the bank "could face a collapse," a prophecy that quickly proved to be self-fulfilling. "It's what legislators are supposed to do," the New York Democrat told the Journal. Depositors who spent Monday trying to recover some of their money might beg to differ.

The Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS), whose job it actually was to regulate IndyMac, took a different view. "The immediate cause of the closing," the OTS wrote in a press release, "was a deposit run that began and continued after the public release of a June 26 letter to the OTS and the FDIC from Senator Charles Schumer of New York." The OTS added: "In the following 11 business days, depositors withdrew more than $1.3 billion from their accounts."

Mr. Schumer now argues that OTS was asleep at the switch, and that blaming him is like blaming "the fire on the guy who called 911." In fact, it's blaming the guy who poured on the gasoline. Very few banks, if any, would remain standing for long in the current tense financial environment after a Senator, in effect, told its depositors to run for the exits. In the 1930s, such tipsters were derided as rumormongers and often faced indictment for encouraging depositors to stampede banks.

Only last week, the Securities and Exchange Commission announced an investigation into the role of rumor-peddlers in the run on Bear Stearns. We somehow doubt that Mr. Schumer will receive similar SEC scrutiny for his very similar role in bringing about a liquidity crisis at IndyMac. But he may be more deserving.

Last week, Mr. Schumer's Senate colleague Chris Dodd took the spotlight to insist that everything was fine, just fine, at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. For how that turned out, see here. In its own way, Mr. Dodd's declaration was as irresponsible as Mr. Schumer's, given that its goal was to protect the companies from greater regulatory scrutiny of the kind long proposed by the Bush Administration.

Of course, it is much easier to talk a bank out of existence, as Mr. Schumer has now done, than to talk Fannie and Freddie into solvency. And no one is pretending that IndyMac was untroubled before Mr. Schumer wrote his letter. The bank had suffered heavy losses in its mortgage portfolio and was openly seeking new private capital to shore up its balance sheet.

But Mr. Schumer was not content merely to share his profound concern with regulators. He also leaked the June 26 letter to the press - which is more like shouting "fire" in a crowded bank than dialing 911.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 02:09 pm
In a way, he yelled FIRE in a movie theatre and caused panic that might not have been necessary.

He was not wrong in pointing this out to regulators, his error was going public too soon.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 02:12 pm
Did Schumer release that letter? Or was it leaked by someone else?

One would think the answer to that question would be important to know before casting aspersions.

Cycloptichorn
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woiyo
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2008 06:05 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Did Schumer release that letter? Or was it leaked by someone else?

One would think the answer to that question would be important to know before casting aspersions.

Cycloptichorn


He's been yapping about it on TV for days.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2008 02:47 pm
Regulators to Schumer on IndyMac: Please shut up

5:47 PM, July 2, 2008

Sen. Charles E. Schumer publicly taunted bank regulators last week about IndyMac Bancorp's financial condition, which helped trigger a sudden outflow of deposits from the Pasadena thrift. Now the New York Democrat is getting some harsh blowback from one current and one former regulator.

Their message, distilled: Zip it, Chuck.

As noted here on Monday, Schumer sent letters to the Office of Thrift Supervision, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. and the Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco, saying he was "concerned that IndyMac's financial deterioration poses significant risks to both taxpayers and borrowers."

IndyMac, which has suffered huge losses on defaulted mortgage loans, "could face a failure if prescriptive measures are not taken quickly," Schumer wrote.

Uh, wait a minute -- how could Schumer know that? And since when are regulators supposed to tell the public in advance that a particular institution has been earmarked for possible failure? All that would do is guarantee a collapse. If depositors are within FDIC insurance limits they have nothing to worry about, anyway.

That pretty much sums up the content of a letter to Schumer today from John M. Reich, director of the Office of Thrift Supervision.

"As a regulator of insured depository institutions, we do not publicly comment on the financial condition or supervisory activities related to open and operating institutions," Reich wrote. "We believe it is critically important to maintain the confidentiality of examination and supervision information."

He went on: "Dissemination of incomplete or erroneous information can erode public confidence, mislead depositors and investors, and cause unintended consequences, including depositor runs and panic stock trades. Rumors and innuendo cause damage to financial institutions that might not occur otherwise and these concerns drive our strict policy of privacy."

John D. Hawke, the U.S. comptroller of the currency (regulator of national banks) from 1998 to 2004, had more pointed words for Schumer in a story in the American Banker newspaper today.

"If Schumer continues to go public with letters raising questions about the condition of individual institutions, he will cause havoc in the banking system," Hawke said.

"Leaking his IndyMac letter to the press was reckless and grossly irresponsible. I don't see how he can be trusted with confidential information in the future. What this incredibly stupid conduct does is put at risk the willingness of regulators to share any information with the [congressional] oversight committees. After this, you'd be crazy to share information with Schumer."

The senator's office didn't respond to a request for comment today. On Monday, Schumer aide Brian Fallon offered this explanation for Schumer's action: "The home loan bank system has an obligation to lend responsibly and police its members. But it has not been doing its job. We have found the only way to get the home loan bank system to act appropriately and positively is to make public the concerns we've already expressed privately."

If that's Schumer's policy on the U.S. financial system's troubles overall, it's going to be a long, hot summer.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jul, 2008 02:52 pm
Re: Democrats at work... Caution!
McGentrix wrote:
Democrats at work... Caution!


The title is hysterical ... Democrats working ... what a hoot!
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2008 09:00 pm
McGentrix wrote:


IndyMac, which has suffered huge losses on defaulted mortgage loans
....


That's yet another artifact of demoKKKrats at work, i.e. forcing banks to make housing loans to homeless people, illegal aliens, cats, dogs, rabbits, squirrels, and woodchucks.

I was looking at one such house across the street from where friends live in D.C suburban Maryland last weekend which they're trying to auction off for $50K or thereabouts and the final mortgage on the house had been just under 400 and it's hard to tell where to start in describing it.

This is a house the Adams family might be happy with but most people would view it as a doghouse made in the 1940s or 50s with an upstairs added on fifteen or twenty years later which would need to be totally redone before any normal person would be happy with it. The kicker is this: the original mortgage as of 12 years ago or thereabouts was more like 200 and there was a second mortgage of about another 200 and in fairytales maybe some of that second 200K might have been used to rehab the house, but there is no evidence of that. The last owner simply took the 200 back to Tiajuana or wherever he came from and presumably is living the good life down there with the banks (i.e. yours and my) money.

DemoKKKrats at work.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 19 Jul, 2008 12:10 am
Other important work they are now doing to solve the energy problem and high gas prices is to go after the "speculators." Will it be grain futures next? Then the stock market investors?

To increase oil production, another one of their ideas is to tax the oil companies more and to continue to restrict the areas to drill. Also, they propose the companies drill leases that are less prospective, otherwise give them up. The thinking is that oil companies are intentionally sitting on billions of barrels of oil on existing leases, so we will force those dastardly companies to do something, or else, after all the lawyers in Washington know more about oil than the experts. Either drill more dry holes or quit paying the government their lease monies, that will help alot.

If ANWR was opened to drilling, production could be 1 to 1.5 million barrels per day, but instead the Dems solution is to produce 70,000 barrels per day, or 7% or less of what ANWR would produce and for a very short time, out of the strategic reserve - because the Dems think that would make an impact, but ANWR would not. I guess they took no math in school?

What next will they tackle to show their genius and brilliant solutions?
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parados
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2008 11:26 am
Prior to the public release of Schumer's letter.

In Sept of 07. IndyMac debt rating had been downgraded to junk status by Moodys
In Dec of 07 S&P downgraded IndyMac's debt rating to junk status
In Feb of 08 Fitch downgraded IndyMac's debt rating to junk status

On June 24th Moody had this to say about IndyMac.
Quote:
The lowering of the servicer
stability assessment reflects Moody's concern that Indymac's capital could be
significantly impaired and franchise diminished due to negative market
conditions.
(Basically Moody's was saying IndyMac was going broke.)

Several firms had downgraded IndyMac stock to junk status in June

IndyMac share prices had dropped from over $10 in Jan to less than $2 before June 26th.

Anyone that was paying attention would have seen the writing on the wall. IndyMac was in trouble.
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 20 Jul, 2008 10:38 pm
Where was Harry Reid when we needed him? He should have stopped the speculators from driving the price of Indymac up over what it was really worth.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2008 04:39 pm
Was Schumer trying to manipulate the market to the benefit of powerful financial supporters?

I think we need a congressional investigation! Henry Waxman, where are you when we need you?

Fortunately for Schumer he has immunity from any civil action brought by investors in the institution he helped bring down, but it would be a fitting consequence
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jul, 2008 04:45 pm
Again:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Did Schumer release that letter? Or was it leaked by someone else?

One would think the answer to that question would be important to know before casting aspersions.

Cycloptichorn


I still haven't seen any evidence presented that Schumer leaked a letter to anyone. I'm not saying this evidence doesn't exist, but I have yet to see it produced or even reported on.

Cycloptichorn
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2008 10:15 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Was Schumer trying to manipulate the market to the benefit of powerful financial supporters?

I think we need a congressional investigation! Henry Waxman, where are you when we need you?

Fortunately for Schumer he has immunity from any civil action brought by investors in the institution he helped bring down, but it would be a fitting consequence

Waxman to investigate Schumer? Not a chance. He only investigates people that he doesn't like, not his buddies.
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jul, 2008 02:12 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Was Schumer trying to manipulate the market to the benefit of powerful financial supporters?

I think we need a congressional investigation! Henry Waxman, where are you when we need you?

Fortunately for Schumer he has immunity from any civil action brought by investors in the institution he helped bring down, but it would be a fitting consequence

IndyMac stock was under $2 when the letter was released. Anyone that owned the stock wasn't making money. Anyone that shorted the stock at $10 was only making about another 5% on the drop after the letter. There wasn't a lot of money made or lost from the time the Shumer letter was released until the stock failed.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jul, 2008 01:50 pm
Quote:
The general co-chairman of John McCain's presidential campaign, former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), led the charge in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era banking regulation law...



politico- mcain-gramm - deregulation
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jul, 2008 01:48 am
"Bill Clinton's drive to increase homeownership went way too far"

"Add President Clinton to the long list of people who deserve a share of the blame for the housing bubble and bust. A recently re-exposed document shows that his administration went to ridiculous lengths to increase the national homeownership rate. It promoted paper-thin downpayments and pushed for ways to get lenders to give mortgage loans to first-time buyers with shaky financing and incomes. It's clear now that the erosion of lending standards pushed prices up by increasing demand, and later led to waves of defaults by people who never should have bought a home in the first place."

http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/hotproperty/archives/2008/02/clintons_drive.html
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parados
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jul, 2008 06:59 am
LOL.. A plan Clinton put in place 14 years ago that required oversight is the reason for the housing bubble.

When all else fails, okie can find some reason to blame Clinton. "Personal responsibility" seems to only go as far as naming Clinton as the reason for every failure in the US.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jul, 2008 08:00 am
parados wrote:
LOL.. A plan Clinton put in place 14 years ago that required oversight is the reason for the housing bubble.

When all else fails, okie can find some reason to blame Clinton. "Personal responsibility" seems to only go as far as naming Clinton as the reason for every failure in the US.


Thats true.
The key is PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
Its good to see you admit that.
If a person couldnt afford the payments, they shouldnt have bought the house.

The govt should NOT be interfering at all, not even to rescue the banks that are going under for making the loans.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jul, 2008 10:07 am
mysteryman wrote:
If a person couldnt afford the payments, they shouldnt have bought the house.

And the banks should not have loaned them the money, which is what the article was all about, Clinton administration ratcheting up pressure on banks to loan to people not qualified, just get them into a house. Bush administration I think continued the same policy.

To Parados, I am not blaming Clinton altogether, but the article has evidence it was also involved in things that helped bring about the situation we have today.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jul, 2008 04:21 pm
parados wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Was Schumer trying to manipulate the market to the benefit of powerful financial supporters?

I think we need a congressional investigation! Henry Waxman, where are you when we need you?

Fortunately for Schumer he has immunity from any civil action brought by investors in the institution he helped bring down, but it would be a fitting consequence

IndyMac stock was under $2 when the letter was released. Anyone that owned the stock wasn't making money. Anyone that shorted the stock at $10 was only making about another 5% on the drop after the letter. There wasn't a lot of money made or lost from the time the Shumer letter was released until the stock failed.


Obviously you don't think Chuckie did anything wrong. Fine. Why can't we have a congressional investigation?

Afterall, even though we have learned the leak of Valerie Plamme's CIA status came from Richard Armitage, congress still wants to investigate Karl Rove for it.

If they can investigate someone after the real culpret has been revealed, surely they can investigate someone who many people (albeit not you and Cyclo) think was up to stupidity or no good.

Good for the goose...
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