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Buh Says "Drill, Drill, Drill" - and Oil Drops $9

 
 
cjhsa
 
Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 07:07 am
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 11:47 am
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Oil Falls After Report Shows Unexpected Increase in Supplies

By Mark Shenk

July 16 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil futures fell more than $4 a barrel in New York after a surprise increase in U.S. inventories and as a slowing U.S. economy sapped demand for energy.

Supplies rose 2.95 million barrels to 296.9 million barrels last week, an Energy Department report showed. Stockpiles were forecast to drop 2.2 million barrels, according a Bloomberg News survey. Fuel demand averaged 20.3 million barrels a day in the past four weeks, down 2 percent from 2007, the department said.

``The inventory numbers are starting to reflect the bad macro-economic news,'' said Michael Lynch, president of Strategic Energy & Economic Research in Winchester, Massachusetts. ``Not only did we get a surprise build in crude-oil stocks, the products were also up nicely.''

Crude oil for August delivery fell $4.40, or 3.2 percent, to $134.34 a barrel at 11:25 a.m. on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Prices are heading for the biggest two-day drop since January 2007. Oil traded at $137.53 a barrel before the release of the report at 10:35 a.m. in Washington.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a1DJoD4gxLo8&refer=home

Bush fans aren't too smart.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 11:50 am
Neither are those that expect a single source to be behind rising energy costs.

Drilling is a good thing. Bankrupting a few speculators might not be a bad thing either.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 03:01 pm
It's never as simple as one event moving oil that much.

The speculators aren't playing with oil ten years out which is the earliest any newly drilled oil could hit the market... so obviously all the movement this week wasn't due to Bush's call for drilling...I don't care what Kudlow says.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 03:05 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
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Oil Falls After Report Shows Unexpected Increase in Supplies

By Mark Shenk

July 16 (Bloomberg) -- Crude oil futures fell more than $4 a barrel in New York after a surprise increase in U.S. inventories and as a slowing U.S. economy sapped demand for energy.

Supplies rose 2.95 million barrels to 296.9 million barrels last week, an Energy Department report showed. Stockpiles were forecast to drop 2.2 million barrels, according a Bloomberg News survey. Fuel demand averaged 20.3 million barrels a day in the past four weeks, down 2 percent from 2007, the department said.

``The inventory numbers are starting to reflect the bad macro-economic news,'' said Michael Lynch, president of Strategic Energy & Economic Research in Winchester, Massachusetts. ``Not only did we get a surprise build in crude-oil stocks, the products were also up nicely.''

Crude oil for August delivery fell $4.40, or 3.2 percent, to $134.34 a barrel at 11:25 a.m. on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Prices are heading for the biggest two-day drop since January 2007. Oil traded at $137.53 a barrel before the release of the report at 10:35 a.m. in Washington.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a1DJoD4gxLo8&refer=home

Bush fans aren't too smart.


Downright ignorant! They think drill means immediate payoff of supply and lower prices.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 03:08 pm
Yeah, ignorant democrats are not helping things.

New oil could be flowing in as little as 2 years if drilling starts now.
Zero new oil will be flowing ever if we don't start drilling now.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 03:09 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
Yeah, ignorant democrats are not helping things.

New oil could be flowing in as little as 2 years if drilling starts now.
Zero new oil will be flowing ever if we don't start drilling now.


I don't believe there is factual evidence backing this up.

But, thanks for sharing your opinion.

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 03:11 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
Yeah, ignorant democrats are not helping things.

New oil could be flowing in as little as 2 years if drilling starts now.
Zero new oil will be flowing ever if we don't start drilling now.


I don't believe there is factual evidence backing this up.

But, thanks for sharing your opinion.


Sure there is and your opinion is not worth a pile of hot dog squeeze.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 03:13 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
H2O_MAN wrote:
Yeah, ignorant democrats are not helping things.

New oil could be flowing in as little as 2 years if drilling starts now.
Zero new oil will be flowing ever if we don't start drilling now.


I don't believe there is factual evidence backing this up.

But, thanks for sharing your opinion.


Sure there is and your opinion is not worth a pile of hot dog squeeze.


Well, that's just your opinion.

But, perhaps you could show some evidence that any significant quantities of oil could be flowing within two years, if we started new drilling? That way, you would look smart, instead of the opposite.

Cycloptichorn
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 03:21 pm
Perhaps you could show all of us valid documentation that it will take 10 years.

BTW, the price for a barrel of oil has dropped more than $10.00 since Bush lifted the ban.


Thank you GW Cool
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 03:26 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
Perhaps you could show all of us valid documentation that it will take 10 years.

BTW, the price for a barrel of oil has dropped more than $10.00 since Bush lifted the ban.


Thank you GW Cool


Your failure to show any sort of evidence whatsoever is as entertaining as it is unsurprising.

Start here. Educate yourself before posting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/business/19drillship.html?hp

Cycloptichorn
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 03:27 pm
Barrons called the bubble drop 2 months ago . They presented the following:

1The declining use of oil, due to the deepening RECESSION will have a "halting effect "on the rising prices


2The oil inventories, seasonally adjusted are (on June 15) on an upswing so that fuel reserves will not sustain such high prices

3 As the Olympics approach in China, speculation will be tamed by government intervention

4Oil and gas drilling has been on an increase since May 2008 and is now beginning to "kick in its psychological effect " for availablity of product.



Bush is like the rooster whose taking credit for the sunrise.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 03:34 pm
The way you continue to offer up left wing talking points is not helping anyone.
Please come up with an original thought before making another post.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 03:36 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
The way you continue to offer up left wing talking points is not helping anyone.
Please come up with an original thought before making another post.


It's helping me...

Can you comment on the article I posted, or is it going to be more flatulence? One I will stick around for, the other, well.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 04:10 pm
This is really funny!


H2O_MAN wrote:
Perhaps you could show all of us valid documentation that it will take 10 years.

BTW, the price for a barrel of oil has dropped more than $10.00 since Bush lifted the ban.


Thank you GW Cool

*****

H2O only ignores what happened to oil prices over the past 7.5 years, and credits GW for a $10 drop! The ultimate in stupidity, but that's to be expected from the likes of H2O who doesn't know the difference between $60/bbl and $140/bbl oil.
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Avatar ADV
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 04:18 pm
It's true that making the necessary regulatory changes now won't put more oil in the pipelines one year for now, or even two (well, a little bit in two, maybe. ;p)

However, at the same time, those regulatory changes clearly signal an increased willingness (and, presumably, ability) to drill; the oil produced thereby isn't going to put Saudi Arabia to shame, but oil's priced at the margin. Think electricity in California during the regulatory crisis there. The addition of a small amount of extra production can have a big effect on the final price paid.

Given a political climate more friendly to increased domestic production, you'd expect a little less speculation anyway...
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 04:46 pm
CI & Left Eye are clueless, but they are good for some laughs Laughing
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 04:48 pm
Since you're the only one laughing; that should be a clue - but that's too deep for you to understand.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 05:02 pm
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Bolling: Emerging Solutions for the Oil Crisis
Eric Bolling
06/23/08 - 12:35 PM EDT


When the market is acting crazy and I need to clear my head, I get out and run or power walk. After 4-6 miles, my mind usually becomes much clearer and I can focus on the issue, trade, or whatever.

I'm in LA right now, trying to make sense of the oil market. I have done two 10 mile jaunts on back-to-back days. When I left home last Thursday, crude oil had just dropped $4.75 on word that China had raised fuel prices (by reducing subsidies) to most drivers.

Speaking on TV last week, I had suggested that we should lift the drilling moratorium in the Alaska National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR) and the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) off of the U.S. coast. Noting these potentially huge reserves, the pension funds, hedgies and other speculative interests might bail on a maturing bull run in oil. Selling on top of selling might break the bull market's back and send prices south for now.

A Congressman followed my segment and suggested that drilling wouldn't help for 10 years or more. I know this is absolutely untrue, so I called Transocean RIG, the biggest driller in the world. An officer of the company told me that depending on the location of the drilling, oil could be realized in as little as a year.

Ultra-deepwater fields might produce in 3-5 years. For the most remote locations, without any prior infrastructure support, that barrel may require a 4-6 year window. I suggested 8 years and he said that he could not envision a situation where it would require more than 6 years to bring a barrel out of the ocean floor.


Then oil reversed yet again on Friday. This time, it was a combination of news that pushed oil upward. First, there were "several unnamed U.S. Officials" who confirmed that Israel had conducted dry runs with F-15s for a potential attack on Iranian nuclear infrastructure. Iran responded with a threat to the Israelis and the U.S.

Oh, and Nigerian rebels were at it again -- cutting off some pipeline movements due to their continued unrest with oil profit distribution.

Putting a lid on some of that rally was the fact that the Saudi's were holding a summit in Jeddah. Many producing nations were in attendance, including U.K. Prime Minister Gordon Brown, and our own Secretary of Energy, Samuel Bodman. All in all, 35 countries, 7 international organizations, and 25 oil companies were present. Quite an impressive group!

As expected, the producers blamed speculators and surging consumer demand. All agreed that we can manage this crisis with cooperation.

Then, the Saudis offered to supply more oil almost immediately-- very impressive, by the way. They also added that current production of 9.7 millions of barrels per day (mb/d) would be boosted to 12..5 mb/d by next year.

Most importantly, the Saudis said they could produce 15 mb/d soon after 2009 and even outlined which fields would provide the additional oil. That's outstanding news for the world - just my $0.02

The world's supply of oil is in both great shape and capable of increasing by several times the growth rate of demand. That alone will drive oil prices lower over time.

I think there are a few things we need to do to slow demand and help the cause.

First, we should immediately drop the ethanol mandate. Even if the price of a barrel stays high, there is no reason to threaten our food supply by pushing us from food abundance to food shortage over ethanol- a fuel that requires massive amounts of our farmland to produce.

The end result is a product that contains so much water that it cannot be transported in a pipeline. It must be trucked or railed (burning diesel, coal and creating greenhouse gases) before it lands in a car. That car then runs on a fuel blend that has a lower octane (fewer mpgs) and is as corrosive to your engine as it is to the pipelines.

Second, we should open up ANWR and the OCS. We have access to 20-30 billion barrels of reserves if we do.

We should also drop the national speed limit back to 55 mph again. It was 55 the last time we had an energy crisis, and it saved millions of barrels of demand and tens of thousands of lives at the same time.

When the flows of money reverse out of the oil play, there will be blood in the street for those still in the energy trade. There will also be opportunities to capitalize by following the flow from oil to the next big trade. I will outline that in my next column. For now, sit tight and watch this thing play out. Oil needs to find its next move but taking a position now is crazy.

By the way, an interesting thing happened during one of my 10 mile runs. I passed a busy Mercedes-Benz of Beverly Hills dealership. It was curious that with the economy on shaky ground, a luxury car dealer could be so busy. It brought a smile to my face when I realized that the commotion wasn't over the big $120,000 models. Rather, it was the 35-45 mpg Smart Car dealership that was buzzing at 10:00 am on Sunday. I ventured in and was surprised to learn that Smart Car is a joint venture between the creator of Swatch (watches) and M-Benz. More on that to follow as well.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jul, 2008 05:37 pm
Tico, the argument that it takes 10 years to come to market is, as youv correctly stated, a crock. Ive been involved in oil exploration plays that went from seismics to bringing in wells and parcelling the oil by newly constructed pipelines in less than 2.5 years.

The outer and inner continental shelves are a virtual untapped and unexplored area that, with the recent findings in Brazil, may make some additional production of the size of the North Sea, possible.

The Conshelf exploration will, from lease to seismics to bringing on line , take about 4 years IMSO.

The production of alternative fuels and new efficiencies must be pursued with vigor, or else well have another period of phoney complacency that typified the Reagan years. As this petroleum crisis deepens (should everyone sit around with their thumbs up their asses like they did in the 80's) thyen we can really expect some bad times ahead.
This is another wake up call that we need to heed. Both parties need to put aside their pet projects and look at the big scene.
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