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Interesting Iraqi public survey(poll).

 
 
Brand X
 
Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2003 05:23 am
What Iraqis Really Think
We asked them. What they told us is largely reassuring.

BY KARL ZINSMEISTER
Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:01 a.m. EDT

America, some say, is hobbled in its policies toward Iraq by not knowing much about what Iraqis really think. Are they on the side of radical Islamists? What kind of government would they like? What is their attitude toward the U.S.? Do the Shiites hate us? Could Iraq become another Iran under the ayatollahs? Are the people in the Sunni triangle the real problem? Up to now we've only been able to guess. We've relied on anecdotal temperature-takings of the Iraqi public, and have been at the mercy of images presented to us by the press. We all know that journalists have a bad-news bias: 10,000 schools being rehabbed isn't news; one school blowing up is a weeklong feeding frenzy. And some of us who have spent time recently in Iraq--I was an embedded reporter during the war--have been puzzled by the postwar news and media imagery, which is much more negative than what many individuals involved in reconstructing Iraq have been telling us. Well, finally we have some evidence of where the truth may lie. Working with Zogby International survey researchers, The American Enterprise magazine has conducted the first scientific poll of the Iraqi public. Given the state of the country, this was not easy. Security problems delayed our intrepid fieldworkers several times. We labored at careful translations, regional samplings and survey methods to make sure our results would accurately reflect the views of Iraq's multifarious, long-suffering people. We consulted Eastern European pollsters about the best way to elicit honest answers from those conditioned to repress their true sentiments.




Conducted in August, our survey was necessarily limited in scope, but it reflects a nationally representative sample of Iraqi views, as captured in four disparate cities: Basra (Iraq's second largest, home to 1.7 million people, in the far south), Mosul (third largest, far north), Kirkuk (Kurdish-influenced oil city, fourth largest) and Ramadi (a resistance hotbed in the Sunni triangle). The results show that the Iraqi public is more sensible, stable and moderate than commonly portrayed, and that Iraq is not so fanatical, or resentful of the U.S., after all. • Iraqis are optimistic. Seven out of 10 say they expect their country and their personal lives will be better five years from now. On both fronts, 32% say things will become much better. • The toughest part of reconstructing their nation, Iraqis say by 3 to 1, will be politics, not economics. They are nervous about democracy. Asked which is closer to their own view--"Democracy can work well in Iraq," or "Democracy is a Western way of doing things"--five out of 10 said democracy is Western and won't work in Iraq. One in 10 wasn't sure. And four out of 10 said democracy can work in Iraq. There were interesting divergences. Sunnis were negative on democracy by more than 2 to 1; but, critically, the majority Shiites were as likely to say democracy would work for Iraqis as not. People age 18-29 are much more rosy about democracy than other Iraqis, and women are significantly more positive than men. • Asked to name one country they would most like Iraq to model its new government on from five possibilities--neighboring, Baathist Syria; neighbor and Islamic monarchy Saudi Arabia; neighbor and Islamist republic Iran; Arab lodestar Egypt; or the U.S.--the most popular model by far was the U.S. The U.S. was preferred as a model by 37% of Iraqis selecting from those five--more than Syria, Iran and Egypt put together. Saudi Arabia was in second place at 28%. Again, there were important demographic splits. Younger adults are especially favorable toward the U.S., and Shiites are more admiring than Sunnis. Interestingly, Iraqi Shiites, coreligionists with Iranians, do not admire Iran's Islamist government; the U.S. is six times as popular with them as a model for governance. • Our interviewers inquired whether Iraq should have an Islamic government, or instead let all people practice their own religion. Only 33% want an Islamic government; a solid 60% say no. A vital detail: Shiites (whom Western reporters frequently portray as self-flagellating maniacs) are least receptive to the idea of an Islamic government, saying no by 66% to 27%. It is only among the minority Sunnis that there is interest in a religious state, and they are split evenly on the question. • Perhaps the strongest indication that an Islamic government won't be part of Iraq's future: The nation is thoroughly secularized. We asked how often our respondents had attended the Friday prayer over the previous month. Fully 43% said "never." It's time to scratch "Khomeini II" from the list of morbid fears. • You can also cross out "Osama II": 57% of Iraqis with an opinion have an unfavorable view of Osama bin Laden, with 41% of those saying it is a very unfavorable view. (Women are especially down on him.) Except in the Sunni triangle (where the limited support that exists for bin Laden is heavily concentrated), negative views of the al Qaeda supremo are actually quite lopsided in all parts of the country. And those opinions were collected before Iraqi police announced it was al Qaeda members who killed worshipers with a truck bomb in Najaf. • And you can write off the possibility of a Baath revival. We asked "Should Baath Party leaders who committed crimes in the past be punished, or should past actions be put behind us?" A thoroughly unforgiving Iraqi public stated by 74% to 18% that Saddam's henchmen should be punished. This new evidence on Iraqi opinion suggests the country is manageable. If the small number of militants conducting sabotage and murder inside the country can gradually be eliminated by American troops (this is already happening), then the mass of citizens living along the Tigris-Euphrates Valley are likely to make reasonably sensible use of their new freedom. "We will not forget it was the U.S. soldiers who liberated us from Saddam," said Abid Ali, an auto repair shop owner in Sadr City last month--and our research shows that he's not unrepresentative.



None of this is to suggest that the task ahead will be simple. Inchoate anxiety toward the U.S. showed up when we asked Iraqis if they thought the U.S. would help or hurt Iraq over a five-year period. By 50% to 36% they chose hurt over help. This is fairly understandable; Iraqis have just lived through a war in which Americans were (necessarily) flinging most of the ammunition. These experiences may explain why women (who are more antimilitary in all cultures) show up in our data as especially wary of the U.S. right now. War is never pleasant, though U.S. forces made heroic efforts to spare innocents in this one, as I illustrate with firsthand examples in my book about the battles. Evidence of the comparative gentleness of this war can be seen in our poll. Less than 30% of our sample of Iraqis knew or heard of anyone killed in the spring fighting. Meanwhile, fully half knew some family member, neighbor or friend who had been killed by Iraqi security forces during the years Saddam held power. Perhaps the ultimate indication of how comfortable Iraqis are with America's aims in their region came when we asked how long they would like to see American and British forces remain in their country: Six months? One year? Two years or more? Two thirds of those with an opinion urged that the coalition troops should stick around for at least another year. We're making headway in a benighted part of the world. Hang in there, America. Mr. Zinsmeister, editor in chief of The American Enterprise magazine and holder of the J.B. Fuqua chair at the American Enterprise Institute, is the author of "Boots on the Ground: A Month With the 82nd Airborne in the Battle for Iraq," just out from St. Martin's Press.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2003 04:12 am
Arrow
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perception
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2003 08:43 am
Brand X

Excellent article and encouraging----not many people here will like it or comment on it however----it just doesn't agree with their desire for failure.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2003 09:29 am
The administration's use of data from that poll has already been discredited.Zogby discusses administration lies
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Brand X
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2003 09:49 am
Here's a link to the survey on Zogby's site:Survey
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2003 10:09 am
I think things are happening in Iraq that has already make the poll out-of-date and the spin on interpreting the poll is what could be expected from the politicians in control.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2003 10:57 am
I read the article and looked at the stats. Even assuming that they are valid and current (I have some question about how you ensure that people will answer candidly to an American magizine when they are being militarily occupied by America).

But even so, these are not encouraging numbers. It shows a very fractured society. Only 37% want to model their government after the US - not good. Many more Vietnamese wanted a US style government at the beginning of that war - and we know what happened there.

But the real battle is for the hearts and minds of the people. The US hasa very difficult task and all evidence says that they aren't doing very well.

There was an interesting story from the BBC of Iraqi women who were arrested and bound by GI's. They were told that they would be released when their sons were captured. I don't know what really happened here, but I do know that these are the stories that Iraqi's are hearing. (They are widely reported in the arab press.)

But here is the bottom line militarily. The US needs intelligence (i.e. the information kind.)

If perception's rosy picture is correct, the Iraqi people will turn in the few lone militants. The US will soon control Iraq and the attacks will stop.

Militants simply can not operate in secret without broad popular support.

If perception is incorrect than over the next several months you will see increasing attacks. Soldiers will keep on dying.

Searching for evidence to paint a positive picture while causualties mount ... This is exactly what happened in Vietnam.

How many kids need to die this time before you admit that things aren't going well?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2003 11:02 am
From hobitbob's link:

Consider some of the other poll findings:

• Over 55 percent give a negative rating to "how the US military is dealing with Iraqi civilians." Only 20 percent gave the US military a positive rating.

• By a margin of 57 percent to 38.5 percent, Iraqis indicate that they would support "Arab forces" providing security in their country.

• When asked how they would describe the attacks on the US military, 49 percent described them as "resistance operations." Only 29 percent saw them as attacks by "Baath loyalists."

• When asked whom they preferred to "provide security and restore order in their country," only 6.5 percent said the US. Twenty-seven percent said the US and the UN together, 14.5 percent preferred only the UN. And the largest group, 45 percent, said they would prefer the "Iraqi military" to do the job alone.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2003 11:53 am
It's interesting that we can read 2 different pols and doubt one while boasting about the other. I guess it's a matter of "facts" backing our beliefs. If a poll should run counter to what we would believe the poll is doubtful and unverified while a poll that runs parallel to our beliefs becomes gospel and should be adhered to.

Interesting.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2003 01:15 pm
McGentrix,

There is just one poll here. And the facts on the ground are pretty clear. This is one of those times where the facts reduce "gospel" to something pretty close to fairy tale.

I am afraid the future will prove me right. Unfortunately the past also proves me right. But too many people aren't listening to the past.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2003 01:25 pm
The other link is to the pollster himself belying the conclusions drawn from his own poll.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2003 01:32 pm
I am talking in general. It is a trend that I have seen in the media as well as chat forums.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 10 Nov, 2003 02:18 pm
That may be true but they're all bound to interpret the polls in their favor or they wouldn't offer them as supporting proof. However, we all know how fickle polls can be -- from one poll to another depending on how the question is phrased and the fact that in a matter of weeks a poll can give drastically different results. The poll is two months old and not enough information is given on how these polls are taken. Certainly all the Iraqis being asked these questions are not on the Internet.
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