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Yes, it is wrong to view child pornography.

 
 
DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 11:13 am
Dear God, I can't believe I fell for the Socratic deflection, either.



Go play in your other thread, if you must. I've made my case here.
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agrote
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 11:21 am
DrewDad wrote:
I didn't say people don't do it; I said it's immoral.


So all professional charity workers who help people recover from immoral acts which have been done to them are committing immoral acts when they do their jobs? They profit from those immoral acts, after all. If it weren't for immoral acts of child abuse or neglect, members of child-oriented charities wouldn't be able to make a career out of protecting children from abuse or neglect.

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I'm sure there are entire classes in journalism school dedicated to the ethics of covering war, crime, and the like.

Viewing pornography, however, is not journalism.


You didn't say viewing child porn was wrong because it isn't journalism. You said it was wrong because it involves profiting from an immoral act. So does professional journalism, yet professional journalism isn't wrong. So if viewing child porn is wrong, it can't be because it involves profiting from an immoral act. There must be some other reason.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 11:39 am
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If it weren't for immoral acts of child abuse or neglect, members of child-oriented charities wouldn't be able to make a career out of protecting children from abuse or neglect.


Oh please.

You want to legitimize child pornography so that social workers can keep their jobs?

I willing to bet they would all celebrate is they were no longer needed because people quit abusing children. They'd probably rather work at McDonalds than face another broken child. They certainly don't enter this field for money or prestige.
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agrote
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 11:55 am
boomerang wrote:
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If it weren't for immoral acts of child abuse or neglect, members of child-oriented charities wouldn't be able to make a career out of protecting children from abuse or neglect.


Oh please.

You want to legitimize child pornography so that social workers can keep their jobs?


Where did I say that?

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I willing to bet they would all celebrate is they were no longer needed because people quit abusing children. They'd probably rather work at McDonalds than face another broken child. They certainly don't enter this field for money or prestige.


But they do profit from the occurence of immoral acts, and they are not wrong to do so. Therefore, it is not necessarily wrong to profit from the occurence of an immoral act. If it is wrong to view child porn, there must be some other explanation for why it is wrong.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 12:26 pm
Rolling Eyes
oh lord.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 12:45 pm
agrote wrote:
But they do profit from the occurence of immoral acts, and they are not wrong to do so. Therefore, it is not necessarily wrong to profit from the occurence of an immoral act. If it is wrong to view child porn, there must be some other explanation for why it is wrong.

Suck it.



Viewing pornography ain't being a therapist.

Viewing pornography ain't being a journalist.

Viewing pornography ain't being a cop.



You need to justify viewing pornography. I do not need need to justify treating abused kids.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 01:13 pm
Agrote seems to have stumbled upon the idea that there will be conflicts within a system of ethics.

Alert the media.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 06:29 pm
agrote wrote:
But they do profit from the occurence of immoral acts, and they are not wrong to do so. Therefore, it is not necessarily wrong to profit from the occurence of an immoral act. If it is wrong to view child porn, there must be some other explanation for why it is wrong.


This is not some chicken v. egg thing. Therapists did not create child abuse in order to have a nice profitable career. They're there because they care about kids and they hate what adults sometimes do to them.

I know that they would rather live in a cardboard box and panhandle for spare change than see one more damaged child.

By your logic every single business "profits" from an immoral act.

The oblivious store owner accepts money from a customer who has robbed a bank. That doesn't mean the store owner "supports" bank robbery.

Hannah Montana and The Jonas Brothers don't support pedophilia even though a pedophile is probably spending a lot of time listening to their pubescent "girlfriend" talk about such things and lots of money buying tickets to take them to the concerts.

You're ridiculous.
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agrote
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 07:50 pm
boomerang wrote:
agrote wrote:
But they do profit from the occurence of immoral acts, and they are not wrong to do so. Therefore, it is not necessarily wrong to profit from the occurence of an immoral act. If it is wrong to view child porn, there must be some other explanation for why it is wrong.


This is not some chicken v. egg thing. Therapists did not create child abuse in order to have a nice profitable career. They're there because they care about kids and they hate what adults sometimes do to them.

I know that they would rather live in a cardboard box and panhandle for spare change than see one more damaged child.

By your logic every single business "profits" from an immoral act.

The oblivious store owner accepts money from a customer who has robbed a bank. That doesn't mean the store owner "supports" bank robbery.

Hannah Montana and The Jonas Brothers don't support pedophilia even though a pedophile is probably spending a lot of time listening to their pubescent "girlfriend" talk about such things and lots of money buying tickets to take them to the concerts.


This is exactly my point. It is okay, at least in many circumstances, to profit from other people's immoral acts. Viewing child porn is not wrong just because it involves profiting from another person's immoral act. It may be wrong, but not for this reason.
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agrote
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 07:52 pm
DrewDad wrote:
agrote wrote:
But they do profit from the occurence of immoral acts, and they are not wrong to do so. Therefore, it is not necessarily wrong to profit from the occurence of an immoral act. If it is wrong to view child porn, there must be some other explanation for why it is wrong.

Suck it.



Viewing pornography ain't being a therapist.

Viewing pornography ain't being a journalist.

Viewing pornography ain't being a cop.



You need to justify viewing pornography. I do not need need to justify treating abused kids.


All I'm saying is that your theory of why it is wrong to view child porn is flawed. I'm not saying you're wrong to think it's immoral to view child porn. I'm saying you're wrong to think that the reason for it being immoral is that it involves profiting from another person's moral act.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 07:55 pm
agrote wrote:
from another person's moral act.


Freudian slip?
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boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 07:58 pm
No. It is not "okay".

The shopkeeper doesn't know that he is accepting stolen money. Chances are the FBI is going to show up and take the money. The shopkeeper loses his product and his money. He isn't profiting at all.

The child porn looker does know that a child was harmed in the making of his "entertainment" and he doesn't give a ****.
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agrote
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 08:08 pm
boomerang wrote:
agrote wrote:
from another person's moral act.


Freudian slip?


Typo.
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agrote
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 08:16 pm
boomerang wrote:
The child porn looker does know that a child was harmed in the making of his "entertainment" and he doesn't give a ****.


How do you know that?

When we watch actors performing a play, we know that they are actors, but we suspend our disbelief so that we can enjoy the play without being distracted by the reality of what we are seeing (actors on a wooden stage).

When a paedophile watches child porn, perhaps he knows that he is viewing an immoral act, and perhaps he has sympathy for the victim, and yet suspends these feelings so that he can be sexually aroused.

So perhaps the paedophile does give a ****. To give a **** about children being abused, you don't need to be cosntantly aware of giving a ****. You don't need to walk around thinking about the plight of child abuse victims all the time. The same goes for the paedophile who gives a **** about child welfare, and he can suspend his awareness of giving a **** during the course of his use of child porn. It needn't mean that he doesn't give a ****, it just means that he isn't thinking about it at that particular time.
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 08:53 pm
Jesus, buddy - you have really gone completely off the deep end of the self-deluded pool.

Following your "reasoning" to its "logical" end, a person could be justified in watching ANYTHING - no matter how depraved; no matter how wrong the act depicted - because he just "didn't think about" anything while he gratified himself.

You KNOW using that shyt to pleasure yourself is wrong. You just won't admit it.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 8 Jul, 2008 09:04 pm
Damn straight, snood.

I simply can't imagine being so horney that I could find someone else's humiliation and heartbreak erotic.

Disgusting.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 04:45 am
Re: Yes, it is wrong to view child pornography.
DrewDad wrote:
It doesn't matter where you get it.

It doesn't matter if you pay for it.

Do u mean that its OK if u ROB someone of it,
at the point of a knife or a broken bottle ?



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It doesn't matter if anyone knows about it.

Well, if u DO rob someone of it,
then shud the police take a professional interest in the felony ?



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It is created through abusing children.
It is wrong to enjoy looking at images of children being abused. Period.

Thank u for that information.
Will u clarify it a little ?

If a child is a sufficient entrepreneur that he takes the initiative
to cleverly use mirrors and tripods to photograf himself
in such conditions as he or she deems most likely
to engage and entrain a market for his or her wares,
that come within the defintion of the subject matter hereof,
is he ABUSED if he succeeds in his or her financial strategy ?

If so, will u explain how ?




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Can we all move on, now?

OK; where 'd u like to go ?
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agrote
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 04:53 am
snood wrote:
Jesus, buddy - you have really gone completely off the deep end of the self-deluded pool.

Following your "reasoning" to its "logical" end, a person could be justified in watching ANYTHING - no matter how depraved; no matter how wrong the act depicted - because he just "didn't think about" anything while he gratified himself.

You KNOW using that shyt to pleasure yourself is wrong. You just won't admit it.


You're putting words in my mouth. I didn't say that viewing child porn is okay so long as you don't think about it. I said it is possible for child porn viewers to believe that child abuse is wrong and to care about the plight of child abuse victims. I think it's a myth that all paedophiles who use child porn don't give a **** about the children who were abused in the process of making the child porn. Just as it would be a myth to assume that nobody who uses adult pornography cares about the exploitative nature of the sex industry.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 04:54 am
Intrepid wrote:
Hopefully, but you do realize that only the majority of readers will understand what you said.
The author of the other thread will dispute
your concise and accurate statements.

Yeah, DAM HIM ! People shud not DISPUTE things,
especially if thay r concise !




How cud anyone stoop so low ??

NO MORE DISPUTING !
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agrote
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jul, 2008 04:55 am
boomerang wrote:
Damn straight, snood.

I simply can't imagine being so horney that I could find someone else's humiliation and heartbreak erotic.

Disgusting.


You're simply missing the point. Have you heard of 'suspension of disbelief'?

Paedophiles are not aroused by heartbreak and humiliation. That is called sadism, not paedophilia.
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