Setanta wrote:dlowan wrote:The vilification drives people into secrecy, and the world of the abuse justifiers, as well as doing terrible harm to the person vilified.
This applies, when it applies, in the realm of face-to-face communication. The online arena is one of anonymity and impunity. I suggest to you that, in fact, it is possible that a paedophile might enjoy the experience, even if it involves vilification, perhaps even because it involves vilification. It's rather like the Hollywood
dictum that there is no such thing as bad publicity. For an attention whore, any attention is good, especially in the online world where, once again, real anonymity prevails, and people can say things with impunity.
Quote:Where Agrote becomes problematic is in his justification of child porn, not his acknowledgement of his desires.
Amen to that, and i would go a step further to say that this particular individual disgusts me because he seeks constantly to portray paedophiles as a misunderstood minority of essentially harmless people who have fallen prey to nothing more than a baseless social taboo.
It is certainly possible that a paedophile might enjoy stirring people up, and feel smug and superior that they are not as "advanced" as he (I think this is a real aspect of hawkeye's modus operandi, for instance), but I don't agree with you for a couple of reasons.
You say the net is anonymous, and it can be, but this does not stop us (or many of us) from having the same emotional reactions from vilification (or praise, or disagreement) as we do in real life.
It may well be that agrote and hawk are attention whores, but many other people read what is written here, and I think it possible and even likely that we may have an effect, for good or ill, on paedophiles who come here and read. (And I would assume that google is going to bring a lot of people here who were looking for child porn, or looking to read about child porn, since we now have a thread here with those key words.)
I think it better for such folk to be reading some words that do not involve disgust at their desire, but urging them to get assistance, if needed, with containing them. (I am sure millions of men safely contain some desire for minors quite easily.)
The net is somewhere that many, many people now turn to for knowledge and information.
Anyhoo, after the thread where this was argued before, and the threads we have going here, I don't have the oomph to argue this one for long. I get triggered, after a while, by this stuff, and get too emotional.
Perhaps we may simply agree to disagree.
