Rape: What is it?

martybarker wrote:

Interesting,yet, disturbing. Joe Nation, I like what you said.

Hawkeye, I'd be a little leary if you invited me out for coffee. And this brings me to another topic. Can't a girl accept an invitation from a man without feeling like she owes him something sexual in return?

sure, but as I recall from one of your threads sometimes the guy has different expectations, which you will need to deal with.

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That said, the final decision on whether or not to sleep with a man is always the womans.

Except in the case of rape when it is not about making a decision

Just as Agrote is looking for validation to be a pedophile, so is Hawkeye
looking for ways to validate his case that if he buys a woman a cup
of coffee, she'd better be willing to have sex with him, otherwise he'll
take what he believes is his in the first place.
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Or if the courts later determine that the guy was overly aggressive in trying to get the sexual intimacy to happen in which case he is said to have been coercive ,IE used force, and thus you were raped even though you wanted what happened to happen and always said yes. In this case the do gooders have decided for you that you did not have the right to say yes.

Except in the case of rape when it is not about making a decision

Your mind is closed....got it.

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Except in the case of rape when it is not about making a decision

I did say 'woman', not 'child'. Of course there are exceptions, like the mentally impaired/insane etc.

hawkeye10 wrote:

Or if the courts later determine that the guy was overly aggressive in trying to get the sexual intimacy to happen in which case he is said to have been coercive ,IE used force, and thus you were raped even though you wanted what happened to happen and always said yes. In this case the do gooders have decided for you that you did not have the right to say yes.

You don't get it, do you? Using force to initiate sex is rape! There is
no sexual intimacy coming from any woman who is physically forced
into sex. Force = rape!!

Everything else is wishful thinking on your part!

Sexual Issues
Sexual coercion
Sexual coercion means to force someone to have sex by means of manipulation or threat. It often occurs in situations where the coercer has a poor understanding of sexual consent - for example, when boys think (or have been told) that girls have to say "no" so they don't feel like "sluts", even if what they really mean is "yes".

Sexual coercion can also arise when a partner with low self-esteem fears they will lose their boyfriend/girlfriend if they don't "put out". This type of coercion is often perpetrated by ill-informed people who fail to put their partner's needs and well-being on the same level as their own

hawkeye10 wrote:

Your mind is closed....got it.

Of course my mind is closed. There is no open mind when it comes to
rape.

If a woman decides that she doesn't want to have sex and a man forces himself on her and performs sexual intercourse then she is being raped. Yes, women can make the decision to not want sex from a man.

low self esteem for saying yes?

you're nuts

I am responsible for what I say and do, not for what you say and do.