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Rape: What is it?

 
 
martybarker
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 09:41 pm
hawkeye10 wrote:
martybarker wrote:
Interesting,yet, disturbing. Joe Nation, I like what you said.

Hawkeye, I'd be a little leary if you invited me out for coffee. And this brings me to another topic. Can't a girl accept an invitation from a man without feeling like she owes him something sexual in return?
sure, but as I recall from one of your threads sometimes the guy has different expectations, which you will need to deal with.


Yes, thank you for pointing that out. I do have issues to deal with. And I'm greatful that I feel that I can come here and post things and get opinions from others that are able and willing to help me with those issues.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 09:52 pm
Just as Agrote is looking for validation to be a pedophile, so is Hawkeye
looking for ways to validate his case that if he buys a woman a cup
of coffee, she'd better be willing to have sex with him, otherwise he'll
take what he believes is his in the first place.

All of Hawkeye's postings concerning women clearly define him as a misogynist. I just hope that no woman has fallen victim to his criminal
mind.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 09:54 pm
martybarker wrote:
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That said, the final decision on whether or not to sleep with a man is always the womans.


Except in the case of rape when it is not about making a decision


Or if the courts later determine that the guy was overly aggressive in trying to get the sexual intimacy to happen in which case he is said to have been coercive ,IE used force, and thus you were raped even though you wanted what happened to happen and always said yes. In this case the do gooders have decided for you that you did not have the right to say yes.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:00 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
Just as Agrote is looking for validation to be a pedophile, so is Hawkeye
looking for ways to validate his case that if he buys a woman a cup
of coffee, she'd better be willing to have sex with him, otherwise he'll
take what he believes is his in the first place.
.


Considering that I don't believe this and have never said that I do I assume that you are looking for any rationalization you can find for dismissing the subject of this thread. Your mind is closed....got it.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:01 pm
hawkeye10 wrote:
Or if the courts later determine that the guy was overly aggressive in trying to get the sexual intimacy to happen in which case he is said to have been coercive ,IE used force, and thus you were raped even though you wanted what happened to happen and always said yes. In this case the do gooders have decided for you that you did not have the right to say yes.


You don't get it, do you? Using force to initiate sex is rape! There is
no sexual intimacy coming from any woman who is physically forced
into sex. Force = rape!!

Everything else is wishful thinking on your part!
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vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:02 pm
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Except in the case of rape when it is not about making a decision


I did say 'woman', not 'child'. Of course there are exceptions, like the mentally impaired/insane etc.
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:03 pm
hawkeye10 wrote:
Your mind is closed....got it.


Of course my mind is closed. There is no open mind when it comes to
rape.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:06 pm
boys would be speaking differently if a bulky body-builder was running after them with an anal massager. i would like to hear them say that he was right to pursue the 'negotiations' after the initial no.
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martybarker
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:06 pm
vikorr wrote:
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Except in the case of rape when it is not about making a decision


I did say 'woman', not 'child'. Of course there are exceptions, like the mentally impaired/insane etc.


If a woman decides that she doesn't want to have sex and a man forces himself on her and performs sexual intercourse then she is being raped. Yes, women can make the decision to not want sex from a man.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:09 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
hawkeye10 wrote:
Or if the courts later determine that the guy was overly aggressive in trying to get the sexual intimacy to happen in which case he is said to have been coercive ,IE used force, and thus you were raped even though you wanted what happened to happen and always said yes. In this case the do gooders have decided for you that you did not have the right to say yes.


You don't get it, do you? Using force to initiate sex is rape! There is
no sexual intimacy coming from any woman who is physically forced
into sex. Force = rape!!

Everything else is wishful thinking on your part!


OK, but what is force? Many American courts have said that coercion is force but what is coercion?

one take
Quote:
Sexual Issues
Sexual coercion
Sexual coercion means to force someone to have sex by means of manipulation or threat. It often occurs in situations where the coercer has a poor understanding of sexual consent - for example, when boys think (or have been told) that girls have to say "no" so they don't feel like "sluts", even if what they really mean is "yes".

Sexual coercion can also arise when a partner with low self-esteem fears they will lose their boyfriend/girlfriend if they don't "put out". This type of coercion is often perpetrated by ill-informed people who fail to put their partner's needs and well-being on the same level as their own
http://www.sexualityandu.ca/adults/sex-2-3.aspx
which the way I read this if I ask you for sex and you have low self esteem or for what ever reason think that I will stop wanting you if you say no so you say yes (what I know of this who knows ) then I have just raped you.

Go ahead, tell be about how simple and fair to the men our sexual ethics and rape laws are.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:11 pm
low self esteem for saying yes?

you're nuts
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:13 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
hawkeye10 wrote:
Your mind is closed....got it.


Of course my mind is closed. There is no open mind when it comes to
rape.


super, so society can feed you definitions of rape, force, and coercion and you are going to buy into all of that with out troubling your mind by considering what you are told....and you call me dangerous.
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vikorr
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:16 pm
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If a woman decides that she doesn't want to have sex and a man forces himself on her and performs sexual intercourse then she is being raped. Yes, women can make the decision to not want sex from a man.


Isn't that what I said?
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:16 pm
This is not MY definition of rape - this is everyone's definition but yours!

When you threaten a women and she agrees to have sex with you
because she fears for her life, that does not mean she has low self esteem
of is willing to have sex with you - no, she is scared of you, and that's
the only reason.

Sorry to say, but you are a sick puppy!
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:20 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
low self esteem for saying yes?

you're nuts


women say yes BECUASE they have low self esteem, and according to the definition that I supplied this is rape because the man was supposed to know that it was not in your (if this is you) best interest to say yes and thus should not have pursued you. That is nuts. This concept completely invalidates personal responsibility. I am responsible for what I say and do, not for what you say and do. This idiocy is the logical product of the victim culture, which has so weakened modern society and which more than a few people at a2k subscribe to with such fanaticism that they make pat Robertson look like an open minded fellow by comparison.
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martybarker
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:27 pm
I'm sure there are people out there that believe that they can spin this any which way to prove that they have not violated another person.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:28 pm
scenario: you go for a dinner with a male friend or a colleague or acquaintance. unbeknowst to you he's gay. he has expectations of getting real close with you after the get-together. you decline, but he pursues, thinking you're just playing hard to get. in the end he forces himself upon you against your will.

now tell me, is that also right from the gay acquaintance's point of view?
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:29 pm
plus, hawkeye, if i say no to you, you better believe i mean no, or your teeth go flying.

women have low self esteem....that would suit you well, wouldn't it. pathetic.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:37 pm
hawkeye10 wrote:
I am responsible for what I say and do, not for what you say and do.


exactly. and you are responsible for your thoughts and actions and NOT for someone else's thoughts and actions. you do not have any right whatsoever to assume on behalf of any woman what she wants and you have even less right to pursue YOUR desires against what she's saying she wants.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jul, 2008 10:43 pm
Don't Feed The Bears...
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