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THE ROAD TO HELL

 
 
Reply Sat 28 Jun, 2008 11:57 pm
AMERICAN MURDER MYSTERY

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Falling crime rates have been one of the great American success stories of the past 15 years. New York and Los Angeles, once the twin capitals of violent crime, have calmed down significantly, as have most other big cities. Criminologists still debate why: the crack war petered out, new policing tactics worked, the economy improved for a long spell. Whatever the alchemy, crime in New York, for instance, is now so low that local prison guards are worried about unemployment.


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Janikowski might not have managed to pinpoint the cause of this pattern if he hadn't been married to Phyllis Betts, a housing expert at the University of Memphis.


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In the afternoon, I visited an older resident from Dixie Homes who lives across the way from Shaw. Her apartment was dark, blinds drawn, and everyone was watching Maury Povich. A few minutes after I arrived, we heard a pounding at the door, and a neighbor rushed in, shouting.

"They just jumped my grandson! That's my grandson!"

This was 64-year-old Nadine Clark, who'd left Dixie before it got knocked down. Clark was wearing her navy peacoat, but she had forgotten to put in her teeth. From her pocket she pulled a .38-caliber pistol, which was the only thing that glinted in the room besides the TV.

"There's 10 of them! And I'm gonna go **** them up! That's my grandson! They took him away in an ambulance!"

Nobody in the house got excited. They kept their eyes on Maury Povich, where the audience was booing a kid who looked just like the thug who'd shot up his girlfriend's car. "She'll calm down," someone said, and after a few minutes, Clark left.


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In her research, Suresh noticed a recurring pattern, one that emerged first in the late 1990s, then again around 2002. A particularly violent neighborhood would suddenly go cold, and crime would heat up in several new neighborhoods. In each case, Suresh has now confirmed, the first hot spots were the neighborhoods around huge housing projects, and the later ones were places where people had moved when the projects were torn down. From that, she drew the obvious conclusion: "Crime is going along with them."


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"People were really excited about it because it seemed to offer something new," Popkin said. "But in my view, it was radically oversold."


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Ed Goetz, a housing expert at the University of Minnesota, is creating a database of the follow-up research at different sites across the country, "to make sense of these very limited positive outcomes." On the whole, he says, people don't consistently report any health, education, or employment benefits. They are certainly no closer to leaving poverty. They tend to "feel better about their environments," meaning they see less graffiti on the walls and fewer dealers on the streets. But just as strongly, they feel "a sense of isolation in their new communities." His most surprising finding, he says, "is that they miss the old community. For all of its faults, there was a tight network that existed. So what I'm trying to figure out is: Was this a bad theory of poverty? We were intending to help people climb out of poverty, but that hasn't happened at all. Have we underestimated the role of support networks and overestimated the role of place?"


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Earlier this year, Betts presented her findings to city leaders, including Robert Lipscomb, the head of the Memphis Housing Authority. From what Lipscomb said to me, he's still not moved. "You've already marginalized people and told them they have to move out," he told me irritably, just as he's told Betts. "Now you're saying they moved somewhere else and created all these problems? That's a really, really unfair assessment. You're putting a big burden on people who have been too burdened already, and to me that's, quote-unquote, criminal."


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But Betts doesn't think this message, alone, will stick, and she gets frustrated when she sees sensitivity about race or class blocking debate. "You can't begin to problem-solve until you lay it out," she said. "Most of us are not living in these high-crime neighborhoods. And I'm out there listening to the people who are not committing the crimes, who expected something better."


No you can't, but here's a problem the people in power do not wish to lay out because it doesn't comport with either their facile notions of social engineering or the pledges they made to get elected.

This article relates pretty convincing evidence that the program to decentralize state subsidized housing into "mixed class" environments has not at all achieved it's lofty goals and, instead, verified precisely the concerns of those anointed racists when the program was first proposed.

Crime has moved from the Projects to the suburbs.

The understandable, but ultimately silly conclusion is that it is not enough for the State to move underclasses, dependent upon public funding, from a concentrated environment to a dispersed one.

No kidding Dick Tracy? My bet is there were a lot of voices arguing this point when these programs began but that they were shouted down for being racist.

This a classic example of the inevitable failure of social engineering conjoined with a collective bitter sense of retribution.

It is not a coincidence that it draws strikingly similar comparisons to the social engineering approach known as "bussing."

It is ridiculous, and, in fact, insulting, to assume that the mere proximity to success will breed success.

Instead what we find ourselves with is not the elevation of one class, but the descent of another.

Here is the insane and self-destructive principle that Liberals are in the habit of advancing: Affluence is a spoil of greed and corruption; while poverty is a blight against our most noble of citizens.

White Liberals consistently attempt to assuage their guilt and demonstrate their sanctimony by employing utterly superficial, "feel good" solutions to poverty. On the face of them, the ploys are attractive, but in time they are revealed as hollow platitudes.

Unless and until we arrive at a place of truly unlimited resources (perhaps the future utilization of nanotechnology) there will always be an under-class. It certainly need not, and, by God, should not be disproportionately African-American.

If it is not, however, it will not be because White Liberals have finally come upon The Scheme, it will be because African-Americans, as a community, say "enough is enough."
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jun, 2008 12:35 am
I read this a week or so ago and I was appalled. After all the talk from critics 10 and 15 years ago about how exactly this would happen nobody was watching the plan in action to see if the critics were right?!!! How in the heck does that happen? It has to be some kind of a mind warp where the possible outcome is so ugly to the sensibilities of the folks running public housing programs that they can't bring themselves to check back and get the results. That plus we in America have a very difficult time talking about unpleasant subjects in general, and the underlying layer of truth in negative stereotypes in particular.

Addictions, lack of education, poverty, abuse, a lack of gumption, a propensity towards crime all travel across the generational divide through family trees, we know this. But in spite of that 50 years a go we had the idea that a change of address into a spanking new modern high rise would solve all of these problems, an effort that failed miserably at great expense. We then got an another hair up our ass and decided that a change of address out the projects would solve all of these problems....and we the taxpayers gullibly believed the press release. 50 years of employing experts and grand schemes and throwing wads of money at the problem as we are right back where we started, not learning a damn thing along the way.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jun, 2008 05:43 am
The conservative solution was to keep black kids out of white schools, and black families out of black neighborhoods... because keeping rich white people protected from crime is the most important thing.

So Finn, you are attacking anti-poverty solutions. You are specifically saying this is a failure of the "white liberal" solution.

So this question is fair...

What is the Conservative solution to issues of crime and poverty, and how is it any better?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jun, 2008 09:26 am
Simple; give them all guns and let them fight it out. That's the Conservative solution. Remember, more guns in that community will lower their crime...

Cycloptichorn
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jun, 2008 09:33 am
It's odd how Guns and Segregation seem to go together.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jun, 2008 03:37 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
It's odd how Guns and Segregation seem to go together.


Segregation, anti-gun laws and the war on drugs are all intertwined and aimed at keeping America's blacks off balance.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jun, 2008 04:56 pm
Right H20.

Show me an organization (or even a person) who is both anti-gun and in favor of segregation. I doubt this combination exists.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jun, 2008 05:50 pm
I'm not a big fan of the US drug policy, but are you actually claiming that attempting to keep drugs from entering the country is a conspiracy against blacks?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jun, 2008 06:05 pm
The idea that anti-gun laws are aimed at "keeping blacks off balance" is quaint.

The country has long moved past the era of the Black Panthers, who were in vogue over 40 years ago. I never would have thought H2Oman was a fan of Huey P. Newton (but the idea is amusing).
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jun, 2008 06:34 pm
I thought that in much of the developing world, it is the inner city that is reserved for the wealthy, and the udnerclass live in the suburbs. Since many U.S. cities are not as old as Latin American cities, perhaps there is a natural evolution of cities in the U.S. going on. Eventually, perhaps, the inner city will be for the wealthy, and the suburbs will be for the underclass, with all the respective social needs.

And, every time a home is sold, a bank gives a mortgage. In other words, there might be a financial benefit for suburbs to change demographics, after the initial mortgage is paid off by the first residents?

In other words, the "white flight" to suburbia in the 1960's has now come full circle, in that there will be "white flight" from the suburbs. No one said it is a perfect world for everyone.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jun, 2008 07:04 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Simple; give them all guns and let them fight it out. That's the Conservative solution. Remember, more guns in that community will lower their crime...

...eventually.
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jun, 2008 10:02 pm
Re: THE ROAD TO HELL
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Here is the insane and self-destructive principle that Liberals are in the habit of advancing: Affluence is a spoil of greed and corruption; while poverty is a blight against our most noble of citizens.


"Halliburton"
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 29 Jun, 2008 11:14 pm
The analysis of this is not that difficult. Rewarding irresponsibility breeds more of the same.

If you took every dime and every possession from every citizen in this country, and started over by giving everyone a thousand dollars to start with, after a few years, most of the losers would still be losers, and most of the previously successful, would again be successful.

The problem is not where people live, or where they go to school, or what they have, the problem is in their mind and attitude, and only this can be fixed by them, or how the next generation is raised.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 06:41 am
Remembering a PBS documentary some decades ago, the theme was 'urban renewal' and the thesis pointed out that the old neighborhoods were crowded and perhaps inadequate in some ways, but there was a vitality to them. Neighbors knew neighbors and looked out for each other. There was a collective interest and social pressure in discouraging irresponsible and/or destructive behavior. These were not 'slums' as the projects became 'slums'.

When those old neighborhoods were razed in the interest of urban renewal, there had to be someplace for the displaced people to go and the 'projects' were born. Here there was no pride of ownership and no collective interest in maintaining a community. So graffiti, vandalism, and more dangerous crime became rampant. Maintaining the property became a losing proposition and soon there was little attempt to do so.

Couple all that with other social initiatives intended to help the disadvantaged and remove racial equalities, and you get other insidious problems. Many of the black institutions that had sustained and provided support for the black communities were destroyed during segregation and the 'war on poverty' not only didn't win many battles but it also encouraged breakdown of the family and a disinvolvement of fathers. While most poor people were white during that time, most black people were poor and therefore the black community was hit especially hard.

So you now have hoards of rudderless, angry young black people (among others) roaming their hostile environments and themselves becoming violent.

Having watched all this unfold during the 60's and 70's and early 80's and having worked with it hands on myself, it is little wonder that I want to run for the tall grass everytime the government presumes to "help" us with much of anything.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 08:44 am
There is something called "pride of ownership," regardless of quality or how big it is, if someone owns it, they tend more to care about it.

How many people have seen teenagers abuse new cars purchased for them by their parents? But if a kid works to buy his own car, no matter how much of a junker it is, he or she cares a little more.

Another example, drive across the Indian reservations and drive through some of the housing projects, and witness the trashed grounds and dwellings. A few are kept, but many are abandoned and boarded up after being trashed. Many Navajos in Arizona and New Mexico prefer their own places, perhaps a hogan that belongs to them, even if it is smaller, it is theirs.

Many bureaucrats still haven't figured this out.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 08:55 am
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So you now have hoards of rudderless, angry young black people (among others) roaming their hostile environments and themselves becoming violent.


Oh please explain.

((the hoards of rudderless angry people (not so young and not at all black) roaming around are the Minutemen.))
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 08:56 am
ebrown_p wrote:

((the hoards of rudderless angry people (not so young and not at all black) roaming around are the Minutemen.))

You are just brilliant, ebrown. Where do you come up with this brilliance?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 09:13 am
okie wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:

((the hoards of rudderless angry people (not so young and not at all black) roaming around are the Minutemen.))

You are just brilliant, ebrown. Where do you come up with this brilliance?


It's a talent based on highly selective reading and creative interpretation. A pretty extreme case much of the time.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 09:31 am
Well said foxfyre...

I am not the one arguing that segregation was a good thing.

You people are unbelievable.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 30 Jun, 2008 09:38 am
ebrown_p wrote:
Well said foxfyre...

I am not the one arguing that segregation was a good thing.

You people are unbelievable.


Foxfyre wrote:
It's a talent based on highly selective reading and creative interpretation. A pretty extreme case much of the time.


The last quote sums up the first one.
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