Fear of a Republican President

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How fearful are you that McCain might get elected, and if he does, how closely do you think he will follow the precedent of George Bush the shrub? Is it four more years of the same? I think he has a chance of being the next president, despite all the polls. Why? Anything can happen before the votes are taken. One big mistake by Obama, one magnaimus gesture by McCain - Anything. I think he cannot be as insane as Bush, but, he sure backs a lot of Bush ideas.

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You really think McCain is a Republican (other than in name only)? Rolling Eyes

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Much less fearful than I am of Obama, despite my dislike of both.

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I don't think there's a good choice ... but I certainly prefer Obama to McCain... but it's basically like being given a choice between getting in bed with a hooker with the clap or one with herpes...

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Bush's approval ratings, this year -

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r251/Ken_in_Tex/chart02.jpg

Still dropping like a stone.

As much as the party would wish to ditch and disavow ever having anything to do with the guy, he's still the leader of the Republican party, and the titular head of the Conservative cause. I think that his personal ratings are reflective of the societies' rejection of Republicanism - at least, in its' current corrupt form.

Cycloptichorn

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no question that bush is the number one reason democrats will do well this time around...

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mccain stands for some really odd things to me. like pro life.

obama on the other hand is looked at for his race , and that seems to sum up what people want from him.

at this point, I dont give a rats hairy behind what corner the possible president stands in.. Im wary of them all.

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I've always found it interesting that a lot of pro life people are also pro war people.

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Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

no question that bush is the number one reason democrats will do well this time around...

However, i think Cyclo is making wishful thinking into a basis upon which to judge the popularity of the Republican party. Sure, the Shrub sucks the big one, but that is not basis upon which to assert that the Republican Party is so closely identified with the Shrub that if he sneezes, they catch a cold.

Clinton had not completed two years in office when the Republicans seized control of the Congress in the 1994 election. Despite the popularity of the Republican Party in Congressional elections, Clinton was re-elected.

The popularity of a President does not guarantee the electoral success of his party in the Congress, nor would it be reasonable to assume that the unpopularity of President would doom the electoral prospects of his party in the Congress.

The popularity of the Shrub may be low, but the Democratic Congress is no better off. Wishful thinking is not a good basis for political judgment. The electorate may give Obama a Democratic Congress, if he is elected, but it isn't a sure fire bet.

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Setanta wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
no question that bush is the number one reason democrats will do well this time around...

However, i think Cyclo is making wishful thinking into a basis upon which to judge the popularity of the Republican party. Sure, the Shrub sucks the big one, but that is not basis upon which to assert that the Republican Party is so closely identified with the Shrub that if he sneezes, they catch a cold.

Clinton had not completed two years in office when the Republicans seized control of the Congress in the 1994 election. Despite the popularity of the Republican Party in Congressional elections, Clinton was re-elected.

The popularity of a President does not guarantee the electoral success of his party in the Congress, nor would it be reasonable to assume that the unpopularity of President would doom the electoral prospects of his party in the Congress.

The popularity of the Shrub may be low, but the Democratic Congress is no better off. Wishful thinking is not a good basis for political judgment. The electorate may give Obama a Democratic Congress, if he is elected, but it isn't a sure fire bet.

Hmm. I'm not sure I agree with your assessment, in this specific case, though I think that you are correct that the president-party correlation does not always hold true. In this case, the Republican brand itself has been tarnished through a decade of poor governance in the Congress(as well as the WH), and is doing pretty badly; the Republicans in Congress are rated significantly lower then the Dems, who are still pretty low themselves.

It would seem that the Dems are poised to increase their leads in both the House and the Senate this cycle...

Cycloptichorn

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hell big dawg... it's not certain Obama will be elected... although it sure seems so right now. I... and you... have been around long enough and seen enough to know never to call the game this early into the quarter...

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To refer to Mr. Clemen's dictum, the fat lady has not sung. In fact, she hasn't even started her warm up.

As for the topic of this thread, McCain scares the hell out of me, because of his foreign policy stance, and it has nothing to do with the Shrub.

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By the way, we should never underrate the power of self-delusion. The Conference Board announced yesterday that the confidence of Americans in the economy is at the lowest levels they have ever seen in the 41 years they've been tracking consumer confidence. The Conference Board is an NGO, and although one might allege a political agenda, that news can hardly be seen as a ringing endorsement of Republican policies over the last eight years.

Nevertheless, in Habibi's thread about the Shrub's legacy, Okie was actually saying that Bush's legacy would be judged by the success of his economic programs. So one must never discount the capacity for people to delude themselves in order to sustain the political beliefs they wish to hold.

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it's a wonder we've lasted this long. Do you think one day we'll be oil?

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The local news program just disclosed a poll that shows more people believing McCain can best handle the war. This despite the fact McCain supports prosecuting it and Obama supports ending it, and most people oppose the war. If the poll holds any validity, it tells me, voters don't really know what they want.

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edgarblythe wrote:

The local news program just disclosed a poll that shows more people believing McCain can best handle the war. This despite the fact McCain supports prosecuting it and Obama supports ending it, and most people oppose the war. If the poll holds any validity, it tells me, voters don't really know what they want.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25363944/

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Have you thought of what will happen when we leave Iraq--if we leave it now?

I expect a lot of dodging and histrionics...but I wonder if you can imagine what is likely to happen.

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Lash wrote:

Have you thought of what will happen when we leave Iraq--if we leave it now?

I expect a lot of dodging and histrionics...but I wonder if you can imagine what is likely to happen.

The shiites and sunnis are likely to settle their hash on their own, as Iran moves in to consolidate power.

What did you expect? This is what is going to happen once we leave, no matter when it is. And we can't stay. Costs too much.

Cycloptichorn

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I know we regret going. I'd hate our regret leaving it to be worse.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Lash wrote:
Have you thought of what will happen when we leave Iraq--if we leave it now?

I expect a lot of dodging and histrionics...but I wonder if you can imagine what is likely to happen.

The shiites and sunnis are likely to settle their hash on their own, as Iran moves in to consolidate power.

What did you expect? This is what is going to happen once we leave, no matter when it is. And we can't stay. Costs too much.

Cycloptichorn

I have to agree with this simply stated logic.

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