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Would Liberal Medical Care Kill Ted Kennedy?

 
 
Miller
 
Reply Fri 6 Jun, 2008 09:23 pm
HOW 'LIBERAL' CARE WOULD KILL TED

By ROBERT M. GOLDBERG

June 5, 2008 -- IRONICALLY enough, the dangers of the lib eral health-care agenda are being made clear by the care that a liberal icon, Sen. Ted Kennedy, has received since his brain seizure last month.

One day after an MRI detected a tumor, Kennedy was quickly diagnosed with a malignant glioma - a rare and often-fatal form of brain cancer. Less than two weeks later, his tumor was being removed by one of the world's experts in brain cancer at Duke Univeristy Medical Center. He'll follow up with chemo and radiation therapy tailored to the genetic makeup of his cancer to keep the cancer from spreading.

He'll likely take Avastin, a drug that in experiments with brain cancer has extended survival by months. A new cancer vaccine being developed in partnership with Pfizer could extend his life by six years.

Of course, with his wealth and power, Kennedy would get good treatment anywhere. But the same care is available to every American.

Not so - if we make the health "reforms" called for by Kennedy and other liberals.

Filmmaker Michael Moore gives their standard line when he says: "There are problems in all health-care systems, but at least Europeans and Canadians have a health-care system that covers everyone."

Problem is, governments that promise to "cover everyone" always wind up cutting corners simply to save money. People with Kennedy's condition are dying or dead as a result.

Consider Jennifer Bell of Norwich, England. In 2006, the 22-year-old complained of headaches for months - but Britain's National Health Service made her wait a year to see a neurologist.

Then she had to wait more than three months before should could get what the NHS decided was only a "relatively urgent" MRI scan. Three days before the MRI appointment, she died.

Consider, too, the chemo drug Kennedy is receiving: Temodar, the first oral medicine for brain tumors in 25 years.

Temodar has been widely used in this country since the FDA approved it in 2000. But a British health-care rationing agency, the National Institute for Comparative Effectiveness, ruled that, while the drug helps people live longer, it wasn't worth the money - and denied coverage for it.

Barack Obama - and other Democrats - have been pushing a Senate bill to set up a similar US "review board" for Medicare and any future government health-care plan.

After denying this treatment completely for seven years, the NICE (did whoever named it intend the irony?) relented - partly. Even today, only a handful of Brits with brain tumors can get Temodar.

And if you want to pay for Temodar out of your own pocket, the British system forces you to pay for all of your cancer care - about $30,000 a month.

Things are no different in Canada, where the wait for an MRI (once you finally get a referral) has grown to 10 weeks. For Canadians relying on their government health care, the average wait time from diagnosis of cancer to surgery is beyond the guideline set by both the US and European societies for surgical oncology.

And HealthCanada, the government system, similar refuses to pay for treatments that are often covered in America.

Chad Curley, a 37-year-old auto worker from Windsor, Ontario, had a brain tumor like Kennedy's but can't have surgery because his is too large to be operable.

His tumor didn't respond to Temodar and the same doctors now treating Sen. Kennedy told him and his wife that the Avastin combination could stop his tumor from growing and add months to his life. But HealthCanada wouldn't pay to use Avastin to treat his tumor.

Chad's family and friends scraped together the $5,000 for the first round of treatment in mid-November; they later saw Chad's left-side paralysis start to subside. But the money ran out - and he died on Feb. 21.

In pushing for government-run health care, liberals are pushing for a system where only the Ted Kennedys of the world can get cutting-edge - and life-saving - care.

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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2008 06:32 am
Aren't the Liberals nice and quiet? Laughing
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Mame
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2008 07:39 am
Nobody's up at 4:32 a.m.

Nothing's perfect, Miller, but at least we don't have to pay to have a baby, get treated in ER, or for any of the specialists we do finally get to see.

We may have to wait, but those same people in the article would also have died if they'd been Americans with no health insurance.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2008 07:51 am
Miller wrote:
Aren't the Liberals nice and quiet? Laughing


You just pay your normal fees for our mandatory health insurances - and get all that what Kennedy got. Additionally, you stay four to six weeks in a Prevention and Rehabilitation Center, though that might take some time.

(Normally, it takes a day to get a MRI done, in urgent cases it's done the very some day when it's ordered.
Some insurances pay OncoLight®-therapy only if the patients insist on it ...
Medication varies, of course, due to what doctors prescribe.. Often it's H15 and Trileptal. MRT is done regularly any six months ...
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2008 01:26 pm
Hey Miller, your tax money is paying for Kennedy's care. Senators and Congresspeople have the best form of socialized medicine the USA offers- and they voted to create it. I've joked about running for congress so I would finally get government health care.
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2008 01:31 pm
Re: Would Liberal Medical Care Kill Ted Kennedy?
[quote="Miller"

In pushing for government-run health care, liberals are pushing for a system where only the Ted Kennedys of the world can get cutting-edge - and life-saving - care.

NYPost[/quote]


This is exactly what we have now. I would be dead rather quickly if I had Kennedy's problem- and so would 45 million other Americans if they found themselves in such a situation.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2008 02:31 pm
Re: Would Liberal Medical Care Kill Ted Kennedy?
Green Witch wrote:
I would be dead rather quickly if I had Kennedy's problem- and so would 45 million other Americans if they found themselves in such a situation.


Couldn't they phone Duke and request an immediate operation?

If they were patients at the MGH, couldn't they have a private kitchen, with security, and a private chef?
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2008 03:38 pm
Re: Would Liberal Medical Care Kill Ted Kennedy?
Miller wrote:
Green Witch wrote:
I would be dead rather quickly if I had Kennedy's problem- and so would 45 million other Americans if they found themselves in such a situation.


Couldn't they phone Duke and request an immediate operation?

If they were patients at the MGH, couldn't they have a private kitchen, with security, and a private chef?


The rich and powerful have special privileges all over the world - no matter what form of government or health care is in place. I just want everyone to pay what they can so we can all receive basic care. I'm not alone, the numbers of uninsured in America are growing and it's mostly the middle class (the poor have Medicaid). You can't start a business in America today and afford health care while your business grows. It's now the number one reason people give for not starting their own business. Not that I expect you to understand the implications, Miller.
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2008 04:17 pm
Miller - Don't you think this country is good enough to learn from the mistakes of other countries and create a health care system that works? Why not at least try?

...And are you saying the treatment at Duke is free or on a sliding scale? Are you saying every insurance company in America would agree to pay for this treatment and all the luxury extras? Maybe I could make the call, but I couldn't pay the bill.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2008 05:45 pm
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HOW 'LIBERAL' CARE WOULD KILL TED


But is that really such a bad thing for the country?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jun, 2008 11:39 pm
H2O_MAN wrote:
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HOW 'LIBERAL' CARE WOULD KILL TED


But is that really such a bad thing for the country?
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username
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2008 12:37 am
He's my senator, stuff it up your filter, H20Man.

Since we're using purely anecdotal evidence to support our viewpoints here, let me cite mine. My brother-in-law had Australian national health insurance. He went in to have a chronic pain in his arm treated and was diagnosed with terminal liver cancer. Go figure. He was given six months at most to live. They started treatment immediately. No waiting for a year. My niece, who was dating a doctor at the time, researched cutting-edge treatment. The Aussie health service paid for them all. No worries about cost, mate. He got them. He got an extra year-and-a-half of life. And catastrophic healthcare costs didn't bankrupt my sister, as they do half the people who're forced into personal bankruptcy in America, since our system is broken.
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